RE: Trying Audius Out - Music Streaming + Crypto?
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Hehe anything that can be botted will eventually, people need to figure out ways to incentivize manual things and disincentivize botting, same with curation here on Hive. ;)
This video was interesting regarding spotify too:
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Thanks for sharing the video - shed a bit more light on what's going on with Spotify. I am aware of some shady goings on across the industry and see these bots all the time that try to promote millions of plays but it's really rampant! You're right, incentivising manual interaction is where it's at. There'll always be a way to automate and make shortcuts but if you can do it so that manual interaction is not completely disincentivised, that's about as good as you can hope for.
Love the top comment though haha!
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Hahaha, that's a nice comment indeed :)
I don't like to sound negative, but I think the 'hope' you have in incetivicing manual over automatic is something that is not reachable at all, unless we changed our own human culture to want to be fair towards others and not get ourselves tricked in something. That said, the more we progress in the digital era, the more we get tricked. A whole new industry is in creation: the industry of playing the human mind with tricks we don't notice.
To be honest, sometimes I think: We need to step away from our capitalistic system to take some more of the tricks that are played on all of us, away. Money is the evil in all of this. Money prevents industries to become and behave fair. This counts for companies, but also for every single individual on earth, since with the consumer, many of the companies would not have a revenue.
Oh it's definitely more of a hope rather than expectation! We're in a world now where automation and technology are dictating play and the pandemic has also taken away the human interaction so everything is online, no face to face (for better or for worse depends on your own perspective) so it's easier now more than ever to just click a button and move on to the next - turning things that were once valued in to commodities.
Money is just another "technology" that substitutes productivity/time of someone/business with a token that can later be redeemed for future use. Provide a service that people want, get money for it. If you remove money from the equation, would this remove all unfairness in the world? Still have to deal with people at the end of the day :D
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The social control is taken out of the equation with anything that is online. Not that everybody start to disrespect everything and everyone, but it becomes easier to do so since we don't have to face the others from whcih we take in real life. Maybe the future should turn our societies into local ones again. Think of eg online experience restricted to the local physical space. Sure, I understand such idea may not be wanted since it is restrciting users, ie a form of censoring and definately a form of restricting freedom. But that said, I always try to find solutions to problems :) Not saying that the idea of restricting access to online just to the information created in a given physical area is well thought of by myself yet, but certainly an idea I'll explore further to see what I can learn from such idea. At this stage, more a phylosophical question :)
Agree, taking money out of the equation doesn't solve everything. But it may drive a better culture by a larger group of society. I've seen often enough how a few 'scammers', giving the freedom for too long a time, pull those people who are sincere, into the 'scamming' game as well, ie becoming less honest and scincere. I generally believe in the good of people, and I believe that most are good. But many of the good people are pulled into the games as well and end up being not so good people anymore... Therefore we shall think of societies (offline and online) in which the culture is generally good towards eachother and stays generally good over time. I don't believe this is to be achieved with absolute freedom, with a capitalistic system without limits. Not saying we shall remove all the freedom though and not saying we shall kill our capitalisic system as well... but limitless usually trend to bad use for the mentioned (and also some unmentioned) topics :)
I don't think that's a bad idea at all regarding localised societies. It will bring people together again (those that want to anyway) and make it feel like you're not alone, which is a tough mental condition in itself. I'm one for trying things out to see if they work, find it's the best way of making some sort of progress - throw yourself in. Otherwise you can talk about things forever and nothing gets done.
I do wonder what life would be like if money just didn't exist. Like, if everyone had what they needed as basic necessities (food, water, home...), how would the world look then? Could well go back to your localised community idea where people work together to achieve something and people talk rather than tweet haha!
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Agree!
When we are a bit lucky, we will be able to experience this in a few decades. I truly believe AI will reach Singularity sooner than later. In the post-Singularity era, any taks will be handled by AI, giving the people 100% freedom over their own time. Everybody need to get some income of some sort to get to the basic necesities. We need to arrange that before AI took all our jobs. A major transformation we need to go through. But that's another topic :) But yea, as I mentioned, when we live for another 3 to 4 decades on planet earth, I'm convinced we'll be ina situation we don't have to work, we need to deal with live without any obligations towards making money, we need to be able to give purpose to our lives with all the freedom we got by the 'system'. Very very interesting times ahead of us!
Interesting video giving some insights into Spotify. A bit of a shame though this video is not giving proofs but at most circumstantial evidence. The viewer has to really research all the claims made before we (the viewer) shall decide to believe or not to believe the sincerity or the shady sides of Spotify.
As you pointed out, bots versus human shall be distinguishable. But to make an industry fair, like the music industry, also popularity versus not popularity shall be addressed. Something that is popular doesn't have to be good at all. It's the human who goes the easy route, reads and votes or listens to the top in the charts. Same at HIVE. Good authors posting consistently good articles may continuously stay undervalued post after post after post, whilst popular users get 5 to 10 to 20 times more vote value on their work whilst their work is consistently under par.
In the digital space, scamming in the music industry is done differently than in the old pre-digital age. But even in the pre-digital space, a lot of tricks were used to make money. Think of all the made bands where artists were selected for a concept invented by the production house and pushed to the top of the charts by the production house. Many one days flies where created. Generally no quality in the work, but business play at full swing. To get the mass to listen (and buy) the music, it was just a game of getting the song on popular radio stations every single hour. Some pay good money for that, others use their network and relations.
In the end, I believe musicians have the start thinking differently about how they make their money. I believe, earning money is to be done through gigging, like this was always the case until someone invented the vinyl, the first-ever recording device. Suddenly, the locality of music turned into a global play. Create once and sell millions of times. How unfair is that? One can spend as much time creating some song or album to prepare a gig, but suddenly this can be sold multiple times over a single time performing in some venue.
Any product that is created once and can be sold unlimited times, results in an unfair business and industry. That fact can never be changed in my honest opinion.
Regarding Spotify. They may add some functions like 2FA to their service. This may lead to less hacking... (I say may: since hackers always find new ways to hack), but what do music fans want? They want the simplicity of the use of service. One-click to get to whatever they want. I for one, a frequent Spotify user, for sure don't want to 2FA every time I open my Spotify app. When they would introduce 2FA and I have to 2FA all the time, I go to TIDAL. When they do the same, I go to some other service. Spotify knows this. So why would they become the one to introduce it while their subscribers will run to another service while doing so?