RE: You can help us - Vempromundo Curatorship
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I was considering making a post about this but I don't think I'll have the time to get round to it in the next couple of days.
There are a few concerning points made within this which I think need some thinking on your part. I believe you want the best for the platform but there are some substantial downsides to what you are requesting.
Especially small accounts, it is more profitable to delegate me, 100, 200, even 500 POB and comment on my posts, which will be with me curating the community and at the same time receiving a reward. Win and win.
Technically not much of a win for the smaller account since they won't be receiving the consistent curation rewards which they'd receive from holding their own POB staked. It's not possible for you to guarantee the same voting rewards from your curation account voting on them.
I see this as yourself receiving delegations and building your stake while those who are delegating are sacrificing their own growth in the hopes that you'll live up to a promise of providing the rewards they are missing out on. Something which I don't think is possible with the method you've proposed..
I believe that if you are a user who likes my curatorship, delegate some value so that we can keep it up and running, and always leave a comment in the publications so that you receive the 10% vote, that if several help with delegations, by the that vote's value may increase.
Does this mean that any comment no matter the quality will receive a 10% upvote from your account? Will you be obligated to give a vote to any comments or posts by delegatees because you feel indebted to them? This is a slippery slope.
So, in order for the curatorial account to remain active as it is at the moment, I ask for your help, delegating part of your PobPower to my account.
We're at a similar voting power level at this current time and I receive around 100-150 POB daily just from curation rewards. On top of this, I have an autovote from @richardcrill which is around 60-70 POB (30-35 author reward), you also have an autovote on your posts too. We also have a significant influence on the platform which adds to the eyes on our posts and efforts (further increased since the autovote rockets posts to trending, hot, etc).
Why would we of all people need further delegations and support when we already have a solid stake and support? I believe that receiving delegations from people with a smaller stake only hinders their opportunity to grow their own stake. Being concerned about your voting weight dropping is short-sighted.
Be careful with how you utilise the influence you have on the platform (it's evident in the comments of the post that people will blindly follow without thinking too hard).
certainly not, so I mentioned that the delegation would be important for those who also think about the growth of the community, in fact for someone small 100 POB can make a difference, I didn’t want to give the impression that no, so I mentioned that if the person agrees with the idea of spreading the curatorship in the community, her help would be welcome, in fact it would cease to gain value if it were in stake, but on the other hand I would be helping the community since I am always looking for small accounts and beginners to give a help , it’s not a perfect system, it’s just something
One person who is always making great comments in the community, not only in my posts, but in others as well, is @coffeelovers, which has even made me vote on his comment even on other people's posts, I think that is the important thing for curatorship, try to reach beyond my radar
I didn't want to harm anyone, I always take care and take into account all comments, including yours at that moment, I'm here to learn more every day, and much of what you said I will take into consideration. I don't want people to follow me blindly, and I understand your point in doing so in search of reward, and that's not the way. I will rethink some points and I hope that I have managed to express my vision in the answers
As always, thanks for the comment, when I say that your opinion is important to me, it is in examples like this, where you yourself disagreed did not attack me, but brought points for me to reflect on, and I am very happy for this approach, thanks
Always a pleasure to get your responses from criticism, you always take it on the chin and don't take things personally.
I didn't mean for it to come across that way, just that sometimes there are knock-on effects which has its first step from someones influence. I think you're doing a great job and it looks like the comments have led you to the curation trail route which is nice to see.
I read this thread. There are some logical points and options too. But i would like to present you my case. If i delegate say 100 POB power to you and i get even a vote of 3 pob per comment it will take 34 comments for reaching breakeven. Which means 15 days. Post that whatever votes i get is all my benefit. So i feel this proposal would be a big break-through for someone who is active on the platform but have a small pob power. They can grow their account faster.
I however see the lines mentioning the proposal to be deleted. So now there is a dilemma.
Whether this proposal is still on or is called off now.
May be you can ask the community to vote on your proposal. Add yes and no in the comments section. let everyone vote on either Yes or No. We then calculate the total of voting power who say yes and who say no, and then decide about dropping it, as this is going to be a huge benefit for small accounts.
This is true, yes. Although I think the part that is being missed out is the line I mentioned about being indebted to people who delegate.
If you are receiving that upvote anyway, the delegation shouldn't matter, but if people start delegating and vempromundo is indebted to people who he needs to upvote, then that causes issues.
Like I said, it's a slippery slope.
I do agree that its a slippery slope. But considering the perspective of the small account holders, this could have been another opportunity.
May be there can be some caveats or rules for these kind of delegations.
Such as @vempromundo would give votes only once in a day or may be for the delegation of 100 POB you receive 100 votes.
By adding such caveats can help the small accounts grow with limited indebtedness. But the positive side of such activity could be that it would increase the engagement on platform looking at the APR.
I guess we all have seen the success of engagement project of @amr008, which offers close to 500% APR on the delegations.
I don't think it's completely off the table in terms of the platform, there are still opportunities there for people to do a similar thing, I just think (and this is only my opinion) that the method needs to be ironed out.
The reason why amr008's method works is because he is rewarding the engagement of people in a decentralized manner using tools to determine this on a larger scope. He also rewards the delegatees with the dividends of the voting efforts and not with direct votes.
I did mention in my comment that I don't think it's been thought through properly before it was shared and requested, so that's why I raised the points.
I believe that there is no harm in growing as a big whale on any platform. If you are proposing the delegation against the votes, i believe that there would be many small account holders who would be keen to make their money through the big sized votes. I would certainly like to keep it open for the voting as proposed by @coffeelovers as there would be a section of the contributors who would want to make it big here.
You said it better than i could have.
I have the opinion that @vempromundo has done a super good job in and for the community but this post is a bit strange. Especially for the points you mention.
As an alternative, you could offer to be followed in the vote, something like a curation trial. Your power would decrease but not the rewards given to the posts as many accounts would follow you voting behind. And if you are as good at curating as @vempromundo is, everyone would win, who makes an effort writing the post and those who follow the vote.
And just to clarify one technical thing to @vempromundo, as there are more users in the community and more people voting, no matter how much stake you have, each time you will give less. It is normal because there is an immutable amount of tokens that are given every day so, the more people there are to distribute the cake, the less cake will be distributed per head.
A great idea, how can I create a curation trail?
It motivates me a lot to see other solutions that I had not seen. If you can help me, or else I can see Amr on the discord.
Take a look here https://hive.vote/
Is a tool for create or follow curation trials. Also you can do some other things too. Because you didn't mention it in your post, I figured you didn't know about that tool, so I dropped the idea. And I did not want my comment to be taken in a negative way, so whenever it is a criticism to something I try to show a possible alternative if there is one. In this case I think this is a very good one.
All comments I try to see with good eyes, and you can be sure that yours was very positive, and will help me a lot, I will read the faq now
i think i managed to create
what link for me to disclose?
I think you should leave people the hive.vote web address(same I gave to you) and tell them to find you and follow you in the curation trial section by your HIVE username. I think it is a good opportunity to even do a semi tutorial on the tool for new users. More material for new posts I would say ;)
FAQs here https://hive.vote/faq.php
My up-vote used to be 77 POB and now it is only 40 POB. I can't say that without looking like self-sympathy but yes that is what is going on. So let me just add: "poor me. boo hoo". ;)
Life is hard ... even on the blockchain :D
It's a hard life.
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Great considerations, @calumam.