Communities That Wither and Die... and Those That Don't
Since the Hive Ecosystem is made up of increasingly many "outlying communities" via the second layer, it's only natural that "Community Building" is a common topic around here. But what makes one community "go" and another grind to a painful halt?
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But This Used to Be WORTH Something!
Of course, lots of people think they have a great idea, so they get started on something with all guns blazing... only to discover that after a few months their once "high flying" concept (and associated tokens!) are no longer flying, at all.
Subsequently, a lot of people zero in on "token price," like it's the be-all, end-all issue around which all else revolves. But token price is a consequence, not a free standing thing of its own.
"This used to be worth more than a DOLLAR, and now it's ten CENTS and still heading down... WHY?"
It's not that hard to understand really. It doesn't have a lot to do with blockchain or crypto, and a whole lot to do with how human nature works.
How Things Typically Unfold:
Consider this very common scenario:
You create a post and you use the appropriate tags, and you make it look nice and publish it, and then after a while people have voted on your post and after seven days your reward "funds."
For an awful lot of people, what that means is "Hey, look, I made some money!" And the subsequent follow-up to that is typically "how do I turn this rather exotic currency into cash money?" Or, if not into legacy cash money, "how do I turn it into Bitcoin or Litecoin or something more liquid?"
For the skeptics, let's look closer.
Why does anyone post something? Sure, there are a few people who genuinely enjoy sharing information and interacting... but even they are doing it here (rather than on Facebook) because... well... you get a reward.
Perhaps we should just accept that as part of the nature of the beast, and that's fine. I think that in pretty much any crypto situation like the one we have here we're going to have a number of sellers (people looking for INCOME) and a smaller number of investors (people looking to build stake).
Why We Seek to "Belong"
The crucial question, however, becomes whether or not any given tribe or community (and its token) offers sufficient perceived value that the people supporting that tribe in the long term have deep enough pockets to offset the constant sell pressure of all of those who don't care and just want to cash out.
Trust me on this one: That sell pressure will always be there. People don't monetize their YouTube accounts either, just to have the money "sit there," they want it OUT, so they can buy pizza and beer and shoes and games and flat screen TVs. This is NOT rocket science!
But it also doesn't mean that "all is lost," we just have to delve down inside human nature and behavioral psychology a bit. Above all, we are not magically "exempt," simply because we're on the blockchain!
There's a good reason why Facebook Meta has an entire floor of college-educated geeks called "Retention Specialists" sitting there with no mission other than to figure out how to make the user experience such that there will be just one more click rather than losing a user to watching TV or gardening.
Are you paying attention?
Meanwhile, Back in Hivelandia...
Returning to our beloved Hive communities, it all becomes a giant sort of acid test of whether or not the underlying premise of any given community is strong enough that the community serves as an actual community people feel attached to and engaged in, rather than just existing as a glorified cash dispenser for those who are looking to make a few extra dollars.
Sadly, at least in my experience, the vast majority of communities — and I'm not just talking within the Cryptosphere — lack sufficient purpose and cohesiveness to be viable in the absence of the promise of people being able to make money.
And the whole "If we build it, they will come" premise falls flat on it's face because nobody seems to consider the follow-up question "Sure... but will they STAY?"
And that is the challenge that faces the vast majority of our outposts and communities here in the greater Hive ecosystem. Do they actually have a leg to stand on? Do they actually offer something that make people want to come and participate, regardless of whether the token is 1/10th of 1 cent or $1?
In the most general sort of sense, this task is most difficult for what I would call "General Interest" communities... because what do they really offer that sets them apart, once you remove the "rewards" factor? What's their market differentiation; their uniqueness?
LeoFinance tends to hold up as a fairly "sturdy" community because it is not only specialized in terms of content, it is also under constant development. That means appealing both to a market segment interest, as well as to natural curiosity to see what's going to happen next. I enjoy being part of this community because I am getting an education as well as some tokens.
Up For Consideration...
Whenever I look at new communities and find myself lured in by their possible airdrops I always have to back off and evaluate what's actually there. A hobby? An interest? A common thread? A creative segment? What? If all I can find is AIR, then what's the point? To fill a few people's pockets in the short term and leave everyone else annoyed and disappointed?
The rule of thumb for starting and growing communities seems to be something along the lines of "HALF as many people as you think will be interested in your idea, and it will take TWICE as long to develop, and require TWICE as much effort as you thought to make successful!"
Without a doubt, we will see lots of communities come and go, as part of the greater Hive Ecosystem. A few will be hugely successful. Some will just go sideways. Many will have failed before they even start. They won't necessarily die, but you'll likely end up holding a bag of tokens worth $0.000002 each.
I know I have some...!
Thanks for stopping by!
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CuratorCat 05-JAN-2022
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This is something we should really focus on. People already waste hours of time and hundreds or thousands of $$$ on things that don't offer ROI in $$$. We need to replicate something similar and then add crypto on top of it :)
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People tend to dismiss Farcebook as "the evil enemy" while forgetting that the reason they got to be huge and have a loyal following is that there's also some really good stuff there; things we can (and should) learn from. They may be the evil enemy, but they are not stupid, on the community development front.
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d-zero's comment in the thread was my thoughts exactly as well. The problem is if they do the same thing on facebook for free. Shouldn't we be trying to learn something from them that already works?
I sometimes think when people try to fix what's not broken it's not always a good thing. My community although it hasn't taken off yet. i feel it will because national polls suggest in my country 67% of the people want universal basic income.
Globally it goes as high as about 80%. .in the less richer nations. So that's cohesion.. use case and purpose that is significant. NO offense but it's no wonder this chain doesn't perform well in comparison to other chains. It's not alot of logical reasoning behind here. Why are people thinking that's enough incentive to earn 5 cents on a post.. or 10 bucks still not enough.
The time it takes you to write that any job in the world would pay you more than that, lol. So what we need to do is cultivate what works and how these social networks manage to get people doing this free and giving all the value to the shareholders of some big mega company for nothing.. Well not for nothing it's because they get more value on those networks than here. I can reach more people and potential have more revenue for my business or social life on there. that's a great deal more valuable.
in our community that's why we push freemium services.. Now answer me this question when something is that obvious in front of peoples face. that freemium services are the brands and platforms and companies that are worth trilions of dollars. Why not copy that? hello
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Thanks for the comment @mykos, you make some good points.
It's hard to say where the future will take us, but the parabolic growth of automation suggests that "work" is going to end up looking nothing like it looks today. Will we live entirely in virtual Web 3.0 meta worlds? I doubt it, as basic functions not adaptable to AI will still have to be carried out.
There will be a strong pushback against Basic Income as an "official" institution, but but I could a version where multiple private initiatives could serve the same function: You have to trade some form of skill/knowledge/content for $3 here, $10 here and what have you... and the "labor market" becomes more like a globally spanning "Fiverr" where every person is their own business doing "gig jobs" needed by companies, rather than being actual employees.
Part of the next 20 years will revolve massively around redefining what "value" means. What has "value?" What do people perceive to have value? What is entertainment "worth?" What is a blog post "worth," in a world where people are no longer trapped by the 9-to-5 paradigm?
Many questions to be answered... time will tell!
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Yes i agree i don't think basic income will come from one system. yes it will be private and governments. it's probably obvious it's coming. howevever i've learned alot from cryptocurrency now. i've seen the mistakes i've made.
I overestimated human beings. Most human beings and especially poor human beings are stupid. That's where i made the mistake. I had been listening to richard heart. everyone thought he was a scammer. the guy understood human nature alot better than i. So what he did was created this big platform that looked identical to a scam
Only it wasn't a scam and he made himself a billionaire in cryptocurrency then donated $27 milllion to life extension research. My guess is he's going to donate a ton more money to some worthwhile cause. i applaud that.. That's the only way you can get things done with dumb people.
I should have taken a similar road and i think i will. what i think i'll do is create a series of what appears to be scam projects. One i'll name " greedy token". There will be like one token in the entire supply. THe only idea is to get rich and i'll package it and market it that way.
Now when i get everyone in being greedy which i will because they like scams and greed. I'll simply then donate the money to better projects like bitcoin myk. THat's what you gotta do when you deal with a bunch of greedy stupid people who want to lose money. Get poorer and make the same peop;le rich every year which is what we do.. We make 1% of 99% of the people rich every single year.. You'd think just on numbers alone we'd revolt and change the system.
Nope because when people are stupid you can convince them that working against their own best interest is idea. So when they chase behind richer people who don't give them anything but the same ole speech about why they are not doing well. They so stupid they believe it. So we keep repeating it. No it's much easier for me to become rich than convince a bunch of dumb people how to make the world work better for them. it's easier because i'm smarter.
I just chose to give them the respect of intelligent human beings. i can't do that because they far too dumb. THey will just perpetuate and follow the same systems that got them poor in teh first place. so i'm smart enough to know not to keep repeating the same idea over and over again and expecting dumb people to do better.
No what i have to do is give them the impression they'll get rich in a scam like way.. doesn't matter if they think it's a scam that won't stop them from investing. they'll invest more that's how dumb they are, lol. so i can do that.. i was dumb not to listen to richard heart. he told me this years and years ago... but i had faith in a bunch of stupid people i should never listened to them. i was smarter than that. that was a task way too big for them
So now i know what to do. i'l create a series of dumb scam looking tokens. trust me one is destined to succeed. If it wasn't that would mean people are too smart and that's simply not the case. the dumber it is the better it will be that's why these stupid meme coins and nfts' do so well.
so it's dumb for me not to join in. i'll just do it.. not let anyone know i'm doing it.. not worried about this post they far too dumb to read it.. i'll just do it and solve the problem that way. whilst everyone crying and begging for obvious ubi being the solution.
The thing is . i't's not evne like some delusional dream i formed about ubi.. that's all your tech billionaires and gurus pushing ubi.. it's people on all sides.. it's not like a delusional dream it's just that people are so dumb they like the people who wait on natural disasters.. you ever see natural disasters on tv where people got cars and ways out of a danger zone.. they stay in their homes right in the line of fire not because they lack the resources to get out. just because they are that stupid... the same thing here. so i shouldn't depend on those people to have any common sense. .and crypto has some of the dumbest smartest people you ever seen. just willfull ignorance, lol
so i know i'm 100% correct and i'll turn out to be right. however the reason again 99% of all earth's resources and wealth lies in the hand of 1% of the population is because the system manages to keep people dumb and parroting things that they know can't work just look at the numbers, lol. it's a testament to how dumb they are but anyways that's the plan now.. so you'll soon see good projects like mines do very well. you won't have to wonder why.. i'll be using the money from greed token and stupid token to fund it just l ike richard heart managed to do with pulse chain and hex coin and what good came out of it from dumb people?
alot of good one of the biggest investments from crypto thus far in research to keep us alive. more money than idiot vitalik he can't even figure it out.. so if he can't figure out then what hope is it for the rest of the space. none.. so richard gets it. i should have listened to him from the beginning. no i too was dumb and doubled down said no people are far too smart..
they keep going.. richard heart probably the richest man or soon will be in crypto adn i'm glad he's so much smarter than every blcokchain out there especially this one.. so he'll succeed in making the world better and i'll succeed by using his blueprint lol.
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wait curatocat.. you're a genius.. i think you finally did it this time https://leofinance.io/@mykos/bbd-coin-first-certificate-of-deposit-on-hive-blockchain
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You are a very wise cat. Looking only at token prices is like looking at a snapshot instead of seeing the entire reality. I am not just one bad photo--I am more than that. And so is every community that adds value to the blockchain.
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Thank you!
We have to be able to answer the question of "what would interest you?" as it exists separately from "can I make money at it?"
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Human nature is a very technical issue if not too complicated and it really takes time before a man stop seeing rewards and see other things.
I myself is not exempt but taking the right action and knowing I can do something to give back is something I can keep doing everyday.
People will always chose themselves first over anyone but here on hive we can make them chose hive first, reason why most leo active user chose leo first due to the developments and curiosity of not yet launched project that we are all excited to see in the future.
I believe regular development and transparency between community founders and users is a first step to getting people more vested into the system.
just my newbie-like opinion on how I see things
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I think you make some good points @marvinix; one of the things we are gradually learning here is that when we take actions that benefit Hive, we are actually taking actions that also benefit ourselves.
Thus, creating communities that are authentically interesting and keep people engaged is a beneficial pursuit, in the long run.
I choose LeoFinance as a community because I can LEARN a lot about cryptocurrency and finance here... of course the rewards are nice, but the concept here stands alone. I would read a lot of these articles, anyway.
We need more of that.
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100% true. The more we keep doing what's going to benefit the chain, we also directly or indirectly enjoy the knowledge and rewards that comes with it.
And the zeal to learn is what keeps us going even when there little to no rewards.
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Hard agree. I've seen a couple of people freak out about this, too - having legit temper tantrums if their coin of choice didn't magically moon without anything happening beyond its creation. And if that freak out is by the creator ...well, it makes me not want to support that coin at all, because it tells me they were never interested in community or helping others or building something or literally anything except "get rich quick."
I mean, people who are involved in Hive only have to look at Hive itself to see how much work and building it takes to get things going. I agree that Hive is undervalued for all the things happening on our chain and that's with lots of development. Second layer coins on our chain really have an example right there of how much work it involves and how many people you have to have working together!
"Let's start a community and mint our own token!"
Most people have NO IDEA what that actually entails, they just have dollar signs dancing in their eyes. And that's not going to fuel anything.
I look at LeoFinance, and it bears remembering that its roots are old and started as "SteemLeo" back on the old chain, several years ago." It's a never ending process of innovation, development and communication with the community to keep people interested and supportive.
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When I first got in on hive, a very wise man told me "don't deceive yourself, take out the money and you wouldn't be here at all." While he may be right, I'd like to think that there are things I could do to give back if any.
Finding things to hold my interest is a lot of work given that I have a really short attention span. But I have found some communities that are in line with my passions and that is incentive enough for me despite everything.
Good point.
I expect I might still be here, simply because I'm a 20+ year blogger and this venue reminds me very much of the "social blogging" style that was the social web before there was MySpace and Facebook... and I really liked the way that worked.
Finding our niche is probably the best avenue to staying interested, and feeling like you want to give something back!
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Hive's layer-2 community tokens have value because they give your content exposure within that community.
Just like in Facebook ads, the more specific the exposure, the more valuable it's going to be.
I'd go as far as saying that those running communities don't actually understand what they have on their hands.
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And I'd go as far as to very much agree with you! Solid communities represent not only interest groups, they also serve as a retention mechanism.
I consider how I have been "on Facebook" for 14 years, but the only things I actually DO on Facebook are visit a few hobby and interest groups that appeal to me.
From a marketing perspective, niches have a LOT of power! I can go to very specific groups and say "join our community," but who actually listens to a generic "Join Hive?"
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Dear @curatorcat.leo, we need your help!
The Hivebuzz proposal already got an important support from the community and is close to be funded. However, it misses a few votes to get past the return proposal and your could make the difference!
May we ask you to support it so our team can continue its work this year?
You can do it on Peakd, ecency, Hive.blog or using HiveSigner.
https://peakd.com/me/proposals/199
Thank you!
I enjoyed your post and thoughtful graphics, which were as thought provoking as the content.
This is truly a question many ask ourselves as we purchased Steem Engine tokens a few years ago, along with token miners.
What’s a good investment?
What’s a good community?
What’s a great idea?
Which community will I fit into best?
Where will they like my work?
Which one will help my retire?
These are real questions I asked myself, as I was really looking for a replacement for my job, and the traditional self employed business situation.
I can’t say that I made all the right choices, I certain have bags of worthless tokens from dead communities. Sometimes I regret not putting it all on red.
But life is a learning experience, and I like to think my experiences here made me wiser and a maker of better choices now.
Happy New Year! May 2022 brings us more fulfilled dreams and less disappointment.
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