RE: Is SBI Still Taboo Or Is It A Valuable Tool On Hive?

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massive downvote wars?

uh....

it was one guy. Who is now trying to take over Blurt.

He was downvoted for vote buying/selling, and he responded by attacking SBI, which he considered to be 'no better than what he was downvoted for'. Except that we have a huge community of supportive users. And we responded effectively. And he got bored....and moved on.

It might be possible that people don't understand what is going on with many things, and there is so much going on that this is probably often the case - we can't all keep up with everything. But as far as your impression of what happened - in this case I think you thought it was more than it was.

Just one dude, doing one dude stuff (with several alt accounts of course). And a successful community project responding in solidarity and overcoming adversity - as it should be.



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It hurt my community. I had quite a few people stop posting on the blockchain because I had sponsored them with SBI. And he went on a rampage and downvoted everyone who was receiving shares. I brought quite a few entrepreneurs that said to hell with this after they started getting downvoted. Might of been one guy, but it really hurt my community and I'm sure Hive as well.

!CTP

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It was just mmmmkkkk who decided to downvote everybody with hbi shares x)

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Yeah and he had a buddy of his take part too. Apparently, they aren't even on chain anymore?

!CTP

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ctime? Right?
No they left for blurt I think.

But if it was ctime, he then reason got outted from blurt aswell xD

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ironically, he went to blurt because 'downvotes are bad'

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hahaha.

He's probably still on hive too, just under a new name.

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I tend to agree, bad actors have no good effects. I am generally happy how we responded to it, I doubt you are interested in all the details but I actually had some pretty clever battles with him myself - he was automating most of his activities and I always love trying to trick bots - I like to think I was annoying enough to help him get bored sooner.

Also the community did team up to try to 'heal' some of the damage, but in the end these are the mechanisms on which this chain works. Many users defend downvotes as a part of the consensus mechanism, and this is completely unrelated to HIVE SBI. Luckily, these users did not join with mmmmmkkk - they had a chance but decided that HSBI brings value to the chain. No one else downvoted. There is some discussion on whether ctime is the same person as an alt or not. So maybe he did have one 'friend'.

One thing that surprises me still, is how fresh this stays in people's minds - how hurtful it 'appeared', as you say - 'it hurt', even if it only lasted two months, year(s) later we get people wondering if its 'safe to use SBI again?'. You are not the only one, it has not happened as frequently recently, but every once in a while user will come into discord with this exact question -

'Are users still getting downvoted for using HIVE SBI?'

Fascinating stuff. A hurtful episode in the history of HSBI, and the HIVE chain. I still love the program personally, and sponsor people all the time.

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Yeah I mean, I'd love to jump back in and start sending them to my community again. Just haven't seen anything official on the site in a while? Got any inside scoop on that?

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Yes, the program is under active development - there is a new webapp, the back end is undergoing revitalization and there is a roadmap towards a DAO (unpublished but discussed in discord). Its still alive!

https://www.hivesbi.com/

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Awesome stuff. Yeah I poked around the new website, and looking forward to seeing it progress. Again, it was a very useful project in my opinion that really helped people feel valued on chain.

We need much more of that, and less Negative Nancies lol

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At least that mess is over :) ...

!PIZZA !ALIVE !LOL

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There were others championing his cause and actively working to discourage anyone getting benefits like winning SBI. I had several DMs trying to talk me out of awarding SBI at PYPT claiming that I was supporting vote-selling and if they didn't stop the use of it more downvoting was going to happen.

So might have been one publicly acting but there was a definite whisper campaign happening to try to starve the project.

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That "just one guy" had an impression on me too.

It is good that the problem is gone, but it was definitely a "thing" and something to consider if you are investing in a program.

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Size matters in stake weighted blockchains. But just because one guy has a lot of stake, doesn't make him any more than one guy.

And the fact that he is trying to take down slash take over Blurt right now, kind of says something about the caliber of one guy that he is.

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