POB Update: Ecency Front End, Possible POB Store, and Ads
Ecency Front End
After much discussion from the community, we decided there were some key features that are missing from our front end. @leprechaun pointed out that Ecency has most of those features and their code is open source!
@leprechaun also pointed out that he is a dev and could use the code to make new front end for us that would have those features. He made a proposal and a majority of the stake voted yes, so it is underway.
You can learn more by checking out these posts:
- https://www.proofofbrain.io/hive-150329/@proofofbrainio/pob-update-should-i-inject-liquidity-into-the-pob-market-to-raise-funds-for-front-end-development
- https://www.proofofbrain.io/hive-150329/@leprechaun/making-an-ecency-like-proof
- https://www.proofofbrain.io/hive-150329/@leprechaun/pob-for-ecency-funding-proposal-ecency-rewards
Possible POB Store
@amr008 has been pointing out to me that we need use cases for POB. On that note, I have spoken to @thelogicaldude about the possibility of making us a store where things can be bought with POB.
I like the idea of being able to buy (with POB) things that can help people make more content like: laptops, phones, cameras, drones, etc.
@thelogicaldude mentioned that he was already thinking of accepting POB just based on our volume on hive-engine! To get things started we could also just have a section of the store here: https://hivelist.store/shop/
Ads
@amr008 came to me with another great suggestion - Ads. As you may have noticed if you don't have an ad blocker, that we have ads now. I understand that some don't like ads, but I think it is a great thing for the platform and I will explain why.
Anonymous
We're using Anonymous Ads - https://a-ads.com/ so it doesn't track your personal details and doesn't leave any cookies on your computer. It's also great because it pays in BTC and we can send that directly to SWAP.BTC on Hive-Engine so everything will be transparent. You can read more about them and how they compare to their competitors here: https://coinfunda.com/best-cryptocurrency-ad-network/
Monetizing Our Traffic
Our site has grown in traffic quite fast and that should continue to grow overtime if we are doing things right.
Rewarding Our Users
The traffic comes from the users and we want more traffic so it only makes sense to reward them so we can continue to grow.
The Big Question
What should we use the ad revenue/BTC for. I think it should go into rewarding our users, but there are many different things we could do with it including:
- Buying our own ads to increase traffic and new users on our site
- Rewarding top contributors who are distributing lots of votes/POB to newer users that are bringing value to the platform
- Buying POB on the market which could then be burnt or somehow go to the users in the previous point
- Rewarding users through some type of contest that requires adding value to the community in some way
- We could also make a Deisel Pool on TribalDex for SWAP.BTC/POB to give users a direct way to go between POB and BTC
Keep in mind we are talking about very tiny amounts of BTC so it will take time to have very much of a budget at all, but we have to start somewhere.
So if you want to support POB, consider turning off your ad blocker for the site and clicking some ads, but don't buy into any of that crap! lol
Thanks to @ashleykalila for POB dividers
Please let me know in the comments what you think we should do with the BTC that we earn from ads.
also, feel free to join in the discussion on our discord: https://discord.gg/8vBmmtS9ZU
Well done! Does it also include a potential app?
I don't think so, but that is definitely going to be needed.
An POB app would be very useful.
Wow there is so much to be done.... "Rewarding users through some type of contest that requires adding value to the community in some way" this will help encourage new user to deliver more valuable content
I think applying pob front end for BAT publisher is a good choice .
Great idea! No reason not to do that!
Waw!!! That's awesome. Achieving all these will be a great development to the community..my little contribution is that you shu reward the Top contributor who distribute Pop to new users. And also, little should be donated to new active users as this we enhance the growth of the community in general...thanks for the great development
Yeah, I think rewarding who are helping to grow the middle class is important.
i've turned off my Brave Shield for the POB frontend and am now seeing ads, yay! do ad views generate revenue, or just clicks?
as a rather humorous aside, A-Ads ads might not leave cookies, but Brave blocked their website that you linked for using tracking cookies.
Thank you! Both views and click generate revenue, obviously clicks generate more though.
Interesting! Well, I thought that was a selling point, but maybe not.
Views do generate revenue just at a much lower rate than clicks, which sucks but its good in the sense that just traffic alone can generate extra income! !LUV
@lerkfrend, you were given LUV from @blockchainyouth. Info: https://peakd.com/@luvshares or check wallet: https://hive-engine.com
When it comes to a-ads , both views as well as clicks generate revenue but the latter has more weight than former . Meaning we will earn more from clicks than views .
Awesome. I like the Ads... I earn a lot with Adsense on my Blogger blogs and Youtube... $100/month.
Nice! Well we need to learn from you. Maybe I need to check out Adsense because right now a-ads is only showing us making about $12 a month!
You can use this calculator to see how much you could be earning with Adsense ... https://www.google.com/adsense/start/#calculator
We definitely need a Proofofbrain.io Youtube Channel.... there are 3 Billion people there waiting to learn about the Proof of Brain platform.... and as soon as you reach 1,000 subscribers you can monetize that with Adsense also ...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=proofofbrain.io
Thats a great Idea, killing to birds with one stone, bringing in both new users and ad renvenue. I like your way of thinking
I have 9 channels. I'm not sure we need a channel on YouTube, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to use some funds to hire an influencer to post a video on YouTube about proof of brain. For instance, I had a company offer me a couple hundred dollars to do a video on a product for them. It's the same idea. I'll think about doing a video on proofofbrain seems how now I've looked at your search, there are so few people speaking about it...I have one channel where the majority of my views are from college students...that would be a good crowd to entice...
That's amazing :) Is it easy to get access to adsense to these type of Hive front-ends in your opinion ?
Yes. It is very easy. You sign up to Adsense, you get some script / code and add it wherever you want the Ads to appear. And they are highly Contextual ... related to the Content of each post. So you get lots of clicks and lots of $$$$
Hehe no I didn't mean the implementation. I tried to apply for AdSense once upon a Time and it said I needed a blog which was atleast 6 months old or something.
So is there any criteria like that which POB won't be able to pass yet?
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I think POB would pass with flying colours. Especially with the increasing traffic numbers.
Not on the list but maybe stick some of the AR/BTC in a CubDefi Kingdom and grow it that way for a while. Then make a decision later on how to distribute it. Who knows there might end up being much more than we are able to imagine. ;)
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Not a bad idea! I'm all for growing it so that might be a great way to go.
This is also a really good idea!
Cool! Maybe at some point there could also be a POB Kingdom/Farm/Den on CubDefi. I am a defi noob so not sure how feasible or worthwhile that might be but it could be another use case for POB.
A pob kingdom and pobdefi sounds good to me and would add another use case and added value to #pob
Ah that would need a lot of liquidity in my opinion . We might need 6-7 more months for that maybe so that a hell lot more tokens are out there in users wallet .
I agree completely. I only mentioned this as an idea for a future use case of POB .
Smart move, @oldmans.
It's rare but I do that every so often. ;)
That's a very good suggestion . POB is still young so growing the ad-revenue itself in this way will help a lot .
That's a great step not only towards making POB shine but it is also a great step towards Blockchain adaption.
Time when we can buy small to large stuff for Crypto currencies.
One question though , Is is going to be international store?
or only a country specific for now...!!!
That's a good question. I'll have to talk to @thelogicaldude about that to know the answer.
No problem in that 😊✌️.
So that is all up to each of the vendors but as far as the hivelist store overall yes, our fulfillment partners are located in different parts of the world.
The store idea is fantastic.
I work with custom products and even developed a POB Mug for @vempromundo
The only issue would be shipping here from Brazil, some countries are not accepting it because of the pandemic and the biggest problem... The high shipping cost rate from here in my country.
Today around 30 dollars (this is because our currency is devalued)
I all of these ideas are absolutely brilliant! Seriously good work + I don't mind the ads I think its a brilliant source of income and any and all of the ideas of what you said would be a lovely use case. Maybe keep a bit for yourself for server costs etc?
There's are fantastic progress updates and I do enjoy enjoy ecency front end. Implementing something like that for PoB would be wonderful.
Getting a use case for PoB would be great also which ensure constant spending and purchasing.
Well done on a wonderful initiative
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A store where we can buy things directly from POB. that sounds amazing , i wonder how my parents will feel like when Someday i would tell them that i have bought a xyz thing and price of it was few POB.
In the past I didn't like Ads very much (and even now I don't like them very much), but when they are well chosen and have a real purpose, it's possible to learn a lot good things.
Overall... Nice changes, @proofofbrainio, @leprechaun and the whole team. POB project is getting even better!
P.S.: @hranhuk and @thomashnblum, a POB story will be amazing for you.
I don't like ads too lol but they help the community grow , they help the founder raise money to use it on improving the token . So I am okay with it :)
Yeah! It's like a "necessary evil" or something, haha!
Lol exactly .
Check out the latest post by Patrickulrich , you will see the ad payout for SportsTalkSocial .
It is very intresting to have a store where people can buy things for POB. Maybe keep some latest PlayStation and Pc games to attract the game and blockchain lovers toward the store.
I would love to see the diesel pool (or multiple diesel pools) for POB. I would even throw 100 BEE in for the cause. Let me know if you want to take me up on that.
I also think buying POB from the market and using it as a reward/award would be useful. Good for the market, good for the community.
Getting hivelist to accept POB and getting a store up and running is awesome. This bodes very well for things moving forward.
The beauty of #pob is in its being the most valued tribe token on the leodex or hive-engine. I believe that this fact alone is driving a good amount of users to the platform. Content, engagement, curation rewards, use cases are no doubt important but if the token prices start falling then pob will lose its beauty. Though there are no traffic details available with me, the ad revenues would not be substantial to reward the users for their engagement efforts.
I believe that creating the liquidity in the market to avoid the price fall is essential. So I would recommend that we keep these funds in the contingency reserve and buy the #pob from market when it reaches a certain lower threshold say like 1 hive per pob. I will pray this should never trigger the situation, but whatever POB's are bought only at a certain price levels would then be used to fund future project developments such as pob-fund.
By doing this, if we are able to generate say $12 from ads then it would be just lying in that account. If the price triggers immediately then only 24 POBs would be bought (assuming hive at 0.5), but if say for a year we accumulate these $12 then at the end of year we can buy 288 POBs.
We need risk management strategy to support our price levels too. This fund can be a good beginning.
Great updates and nice to see some development around here. Looking forward to seeing the new UI.
Love the idea of a store or enlisting on one, that should be a good use case for POB.
The implementation of ads is also a good way of generating revenue with the traffic we get.
Buying POB and burning will be a great one as it will help the token, the idea of buying ads to increase traffic & users is also cool
Oh my God! Pure beautiful things are pointed out in this publication. I love the store thing and obviously, the user rewards thing...hahahahaha.
I didn't know that POB was created a short time ago and although I know almost nothing about the development of a community and less a front-end, it seems to me that a great job has been done, but I also imagine that there is much to do and I think that all of us who come and go here are eager to help. So: let's do what needs to be done.
I believe that the improvements are for the better, and the good leaders and protagonists of POB will continue to direct the ship on the right track .... I hope to win a BTC with this wheel of luck. Greetings all
One of the comments, talks about an application, this idea is quite good, to take it into account for the not too distant future.
As for the store, it sounds magnificent and the subject of the ads was always annoying for me, even in the videos it is stressful, but in this case it is for a good use and they have not bothered at all, I will give a few clicks and follow your advice not become an impulsive shopper.
Thank you for the leadership exercised in POB, I will think of an idea that I can contribute to this community.
I think that the funds, we are not talking about large amounts at the moment, should be used for development. It doesn't make any sense, in my opinion, to use it to distribute POBs to users.
We all want POB to keep growing and so we can use the funds to create a nice merchandising site for example
I think I support that option of converting pob into an app, in a world where 60% have a mobile device and the trend shows a prolonged rise in the following decades, I think it will be of great help, I heard this improvement a few months ago In the Musicforlife community, the strategy that these guys use is ingenious, because they are Hive leeches looking at what other tribes do for them to copy and make a small improvement, soon when time does not reach them to cover so many projects they will realize it mistake made. Here is something that should be done without haste but in a systematic way, so we will ensure exponential growth, and even more so when you mention the fact of paying for your own advertising.
Another thing that I would like to propose is to find a way to reward the user but to find a way in which the adoption of more people outside of pob can be effective.
Currently we see hundreds of topics about pob, and I include myself in that, but it is as @vempromundo has said, we do nothing talking about pob within pob, the real market to attack is out there, not here inside, I still look forward to a project which @trostparadox plans to launch in a short time, which seeks to find a use for pob.
Making a store would be great, I think a fund should be included, something like LBI or SPI, which offers a return for sending your pop, come on friend, tell me if there is something more exciting than seeing a higher annual return than the idiots from the bank want to offer with inorganic money.
Currently pob is on the lips of many in Hive and that should be taken advantage of, it reduces many operating costs in terms of advertising.
I would propose that there be a contest or a way to incentivize those people who can attract more people to pob, taking into account that we are full of affiliate marketing lovers, and this would be a great fuel to start a small wave of new users .
The more uses can be found for pob, it will be stronger and it is very possible that the daily liquidity will be much higher, I do not handle the data in specific but I think that we still do not exceed the barrier of 5k per day, and it is to be admired that with In less than a year a volume of trade greater than 4k has been reached, this is an indication that something is being done well in pob, and continuity must be given!
Maybe when I have something else to say I will leave a couple more comments, meanwhile I will continue reading the points of view!
I cut-off on an over-valuated comment ( as I see this)
Come on attack me, you're just making it clear what will happen to everyone who thinks differently from you, doesn't this look like a clear abuse of power?
So that you have it clear, I will continue to publish everything that does not seem to me, and if you are in what I do not think, well I will say so you have advantages in the votes, my satisfaction is not in winning POB I think that the fact of bothering you in look at what I do, and dedicate some of the time that is left, for me great, at your age I would not pay attention to a person less than half your age, I think that when I am your age, I should be with a delicious tropical drink in hand, enjoying a beautiful landscape surrounded by beautiful girls on a beautiful Pacific beach.
Not even in my worst nightmares would I waste my time on someone who enjoys stealing a little time!
Oh by the way when I have a little time, I will write about you and how it can affect the community if you dare to go against an Egolatra!
You should see my happy face as I write these lines, you really amuse me!
this is so obvious:
If anyone can find and quote my post/comment with similar "inappropriate language", I will reward you with a 1000 POB prize.
L0L again spend time with me, see if you are predictable, in a few days when I have a little time I will make some comments and it is possible that a couple of articles, so for sure daddy @onealfa will give you some. negative comments, for now I'll just wait for @ waraira777 to comment here for dad @onealfa to reward him (you should see my big smile as I write this)
It is a disproportionate fight, everyone who raises his voice and thinks differently will do the same to him, this is just a precedent for them to continue to go down and flatter you a little, meanwhile, that is not my style, (Maybe it is what the most it bothered you about me), in case I doubt for now that I pay more attention to this issue, (and believe me I do it more for you than for me), I have a lot of time to waste, (but I don't) and I think this It should stop by now.
For my part I think it is not worth it, now if you want to continue paying attention to what I write or do, · "go ahead" is your time, and you decide what to do with it.
See you daddy @onealfa!
I've seen your work on other tribes. Until POB, I've remained relatively uninvolved in the administrative side of cryptocurrencies. I'm developing a formal token vision/project plan/proposals for the tribe in the next couple of weeks.
I'm learning about plagiarism monitoring and DV'ing from groups like StemGeeks/StemSocial/Hivewatchers and now POB. It's exhausting, thankless, and I'm learning it's critical for a token's value.
In regards to a post or comment, how do you determine under or overvalue?
Just checked the store and it's Awesome! We definitely need more stores where we can shop using coins. This is going to boost the faith of people in crypto (which i believe is still shallow in my country, especially the old generation) and thus give the crypto economy a great boom.
These are brilliant steps forward for the ecosystem. Well done to all involved!
Sounds great, for the store I would really like the option to buy gold and silver with shipping to Germany available.
Invest the ad revenue in the business AKA to grow the POB community. There's always a couple of levers that generate 80%+ of the business (if not more); put the money where the biggest impact lies and keep analysing as we move forward. If you have no data, than start testing. Test all the points / ideas you have listed above. You will not know what works until you have tested them. No assumptions. Let's get the facts and numbers.
Good idea but i have one question, the store part using pob to buy things, is it going to be restricted to some persons or general because we are not located in the same place
I've been using peakd and hadn't tried recency because I thought it was aimed at phones, but trying out today, and I like it. Unlike pob it's fast, and the design is good.
a use case for PoB in which we could use these tokens for buying things online would be terrific! But obviously this involves a lot of networking and organizing. Hope some things can be worked out. Also, I guess this would only apply to US customers?
Buying tokens on Hive-Engine and burning them. Or buying POB for the pob-fund to contribute to more projects and growth. Just some ideas.
Sounds like there are some really awesome things in the works! I have been staking pretty much all of the PoB that I have been earning. I think the first option up there or the burn one are probably the two best. With the token value where it is, I think the top users are doing just fine and they don't need any extra incentive for using the system. That's just my opinion though...
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Monetize traffic is important because most people read the content on hive in general from search engines, but there is no part of hive.
That's why I think second-layer tokens are the future of rewarding. More flexible and it's way easier to generate revenue.
very good ideas. I like all of them!
I don't mind ads especially if the proceeds go to a good cause. I don't know how to turn off my ad blocker tho LOL
@proofofbrainio
I really don't like ads. But, I know it's necessary and I would do the same.
But, I think adjusting where they appear is the main thing. Because the way it has appeared and the types of ads, will amaze a lot of people. Because now POB has the face of those sites of "advertisements" that where you click opens a pop-up and often with viruses. I'm not saying it's like that here. But the aesthetics got really ugly and if I didn't know the HIVE/POB in question, I wouldn't enter a site like that anymore for the first impression of these ads.
With the Front end of Ecency we will have a lot to gain and setting up a suitable space for the ads will be the best.
When it comes to BTC earnings create a fund for that. And use it to pay developers for projects that create something interesting for the community.
I am a fan of the buy and burn. POB is great because it has such a high reward. I'm not sure why it has managed to keep going up as it has, but at some point it seems supply and demand would cause the price to decline. I also like the store idea and could see myself getting a POB coffee cup or something. Thanks for a GREAT site. The Ecency front end is a winner in my book too. I much prefer that front end due to the features it has.
Perhaps you could do a monthly poll on what people think the money should go towards?
Ps. Love that you are using the text dividers! :)
@ashleykalila i think that is a very cool idea
I really love the ads aspect of it, with that, the website generate more money. It’s a very good idea. The ads are working already, we can see it.
@akinwumi294 the ads will help the platform to generate income which they can use to keep developing the platform..
heard about the ads feature yesterday and I am pleased with the new development. i also like the idea of buying stuff with pob. that would be really great! finally some use case outside curation.
what to use the ad revenue for?
i am in for burning the token--buying and burning.
i dunno, is it possible to have a development fund here as well. seems too soon?
Great work POB team exciting times. 🧠💪
What happened to the idea of wrapping POB any traction?
Need more POB in my opinion . Lack of liquidity .
I vote for a Diesel pool or maybe two. One with #BTC and one with #HIVE.
Sponsoring writing contests sounds great.
Fireguardian is going to leave a big emptiness soon.
On the other hand I would be fine with a solution that rewards every user. Like buying and burning coins.
Has anyone created a project or business roadmap for POB? I imagine it would help the leaders immensely with planning. Solid and realistic planning almost guarantees a project's success.
You could probably create the plan now from the high-value responses from the community. You could even start by adding "project milestone" dates for each bullet if you wish.
To summarize the community responses:
Marketing
Sales
Advertising
Investments
Technology
The sense I get from the platform is palpable. Everyone likes that you can write about what you want. People comment about the friendliness here. Despite our user interface, POB is outperforming many. We should take a hard look at the priorities, organize them, and publish regular updates about them. The action will at least sustain current excitement and draw in others to invest.
When POBecency comes out, and I believe it will, it will further draw in people. Couple that with marketing on YouTube or whatever platform you decide, and you can slowly build it into a powerhouse. POB, similar to currency, can become something of tangible value whose true worth comes from the proof of our brains.
@proofofbrainio you've made something different. We just have to make it long-term and a permanent fixture now in the blockchain now. Knowing nothing about you or anyone else at the top, the potential of the POB brand speaks volumes.
I'd be curious how much rev is generate from ads. Not all the time but maybe a week after.
My vote first would be to use the ad revenue to full future projects and development of the site.
Besides that if it's not needed it should go back into the token price or to those holding stake. What would be really cool is those holding stake the ad revenue once a week gets divided up to everyone that has powered up POB.
Buying the POB and awarding it to those powered up?
Something along the lines of that feels like a decent incentive and a way to provide value back to those who are vested into the platform.
Don't have all the answers and just some quick ideas.
Some solid improvements an ecency style front end would be cool, its great that its open source and can be easily adopted.
I also think the use case is definitely needed so its great to see that being seriously looked at.
Ad revenue I think you have the right idea, sharing that between rewarding contributors as well as buying outside ads that will bring in new users for growth.
What do you think about referal links for every post, not like D.buzz has done but like read.cash is doing, where you can share any post from any author with an identifiable referal link attached.
Not sure what you could do about incentivicing refers, it could simple be that people signing up become a follower of the referer rather than financially motivated. I think it would encourage #pob promotion.
Either way these are positive steps forwards, I look forward to seeing them implemented.
Thanks for keeping us updated on the progress
I wonder would hooking up with the brave browser be a good idea for the ads.
Their ads are privacy based crypto focused any BAT earned could be swaped for #pob.
Just another possible or added option I guess
I always turn off the adblocker on websites that I want to support and certainly don't mind having non targeted ads on the page.
Regarding the question of what to do with the ad revenue I think the simplest option is also the best option! Just buy and Burn POB. Everyone benefits from it since it shrinks the supply causing an increase the price. PLUS it incentivises holding the token hoping for a price increase which generates even higher prices.
It's a win win situation. A no brainer 🤣
This is a very good idea, I like your level of thinking bringing new user for more revenue. Humm you are brain loaded
nice one we keep learning from u
I think this site need the following ”css style” because whenever the ads is showing at the top of the site, it move to the right hand side where there is a blank space @proofofbrainio
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box-sizing : border-box;
margin: 0;
}
body{
max-width : 100% !important;
overflow-x: hidden;
font-size: 100%;
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Great to see you guys using A-ads. I use them too for my small political blogs. I earn more in BTC from A-ads than I do from Adsense on those blogs. On YouTube, I don't have the benefit of being a part of their monetization program (I used to be on it, until they changed their policy). It's great to have alternative sources of income for original content.
I'll be turning off adblockers while using proofofbrain's front-end. Hope you guys perform well!
I love all these new features, I had some time without coming to POB and I think that improving the interface through an app would be fabulous. On the other hand I think the ads without are annoying but necessary in many opportunities, in fact I use them in my work, so welcome that additional revenue to boost the platform.
I have been thinking how I could collaborate with POB without requiring a big investment of money, but in the promotion of the platform, I think I will do it from some of my communication channels. On the other hand I would also like to promote more the participation of the Hispanic community in POB.
I think that if tribes of different languages are developed it could generate more diversity and growth to the platform.
A store sounds awesome.
As for what to do with Ad Revenue, I think you hit the nail on the head with the suggestions in your topic. Use it to purchase back POB on the Hive-Engine exchange. The only suggestion I would make is wait until you can create a significant buy wall as to further prop the price of the token. Its already doing great so adding buy walls using funds from adds will only push the tokens price up further. Hopefully by the end of the month I'll be able to power up some POB.
I noticed the ads not long ago. It was just a couple weeks after I had mentioned elsewhere that I wished I could monetize my posts for longer than 7 days because in the world of the internet and crypto, a post lasts forever, but the rewards only build for 7 days versus my other means of making money (YouTube) allows for perpetual earnings for content I've made once. It's for this reason that YouTube, to me, begs for evergreen content whereas Hive begs for fashionable content that is one and done. I like your idea of using the btc to peg POB to btc on the Hive Engine. For all the other tokens within the engine, this would likely make them have to trade to POB before trading to BTC as I understand it, so you'd increase the demand for POB. As for the amount you earn each month from ads being close to $12, that sounds really low to me compared to what I make on my YouTube channels, so if you're able to get a different ad supplier, your CTM will likely increase. Because it's random ads, I'm betting the CTM is extremely low.
Another possibility for the money from the ads is to reward people who have the most actual views per week instead of upvotes, as I've noticed that there are many times that people upvote without reading...maybe not...there are bots that can make a machine think anything...so if that's the case, perhaps, you can use the btc to create ads elsewhere on the internet to advertise folks to get to POB. It would raise adoption and revenue simultaneously. I teach people about expanding their business quite often and the #1 way is to let people know you exist...ads...
This is (in my eyes) by far the BEST use case of all the ad revenues
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