The Great Debate on Value and the Distribution of Rewards

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One thing that has plagued the world for a Millenia is the debate on value and who should be rewarded for what and are those rewards justified?

I was sitting on the Grape discord earlier today whilst they were having a hugely heated discussion on the value of their new coin. Who should be rewarded for their effort on it, and in what ways we should reward these people, and who is deserving of these rewards and how?

So this is a discussion that has plagued mankind since the days when we were swapping our goats for some carrots and a slaughtered cow. It's not a new one, and it's not one that's going to be solved any time soon.

Value is a simplistic term, in that one can create value through production in some form. It could be anything. Raising and breeding a cow for selling to the public later, or simply taking care of your sick uncle so that he survives his illness. Both have inherent value. To clarify this value in the way I see it, you will earn money from this cow at a later date, and your sick uncle will be able to go back to work and earn for your family. We all coexist in a system of creating value.

But how do we now determine the rewards received for this newly created value?

If you think of a human when they are born and all the way up until adulthood in terms of value they are a net negative. Think of it realistically of what they contribute to society -- and if you are raising them right then at the beginning it is all about them. Rightly so, most of your resources as a parent will need to go into raising your children. So until they are of working age then children are a net negative to the creation of value.

Then when that same human is of working age and dependant on the skills they chose then they will go into the workforce and begin to create value of some kind, whether big or small, and rewarded for their creation of said value.

The argument is, and has always been, since the beginning of time, whether the rewards are proportional to the value that we create. Is the system that we have fair and just?

Rewards can take many forms, however the most common one is in the form of a national currency where we can use to purchase food, drink, products and services to better our lives with. Some even use that same currency to create their very own businesses with. The choice is yours.

The debate has always ravaged between those who have too much rewards (the rich), and those who have too little (the poor). The idea being that those with too much are eating up everything and those with too little are not being helped up. It's an argument, I'll state again, that's not a new one.

But it's too complex of a discussion to explain away by just saying that the rich should pay their fair share and that the poor should just work harder. To solve a problem we at first need to understand it. Understanding it also means to be able to emphasise with both sides.

I am going to argue that I am in a unique position to both have known very well off people, and on the other hand I not only have known very poor people but I have existed in this circle (and mindset) too. However, you may disagree with me and that's fine.

One thing that's ludicrous is that poor people can't just work harder to earn more money. There is such a thing called the poverty trap and I will argue that it's designed to keep people down there. After all, how would the banks survive without gratuitously profiting off the poor? They wouldn't be able to do that with people that have money because then that would mean the wealth that keeps them afloat would start to disappear. What rich person would keep money in a bank that's going to keep taking from them?

No, you take from people that have very little choice, and then you make it look like you are doing them a favour by letting them open an account in your shitty protection racket.

To create more wealth that means there needs to be more opportunity. You can't just simply work harder if there's no jobs available. I remember some old bastard telling me that he would literally pick up shit from the street if he had to when I was unemployed and that I was a drain on society. Alas, it gave him quite a shock when I told him that he should accompany me down to the job shop or show me where these shit picker jobs were so I could go and get them. People have a lot of opinions, but most of them are biased and shit. A lot of mine are too for the record, hah.

No, for true wealth to be created within the poor we need proper financial and social education. The benefits of stopping spending on addictions and saving up that money every month. The benefits of the nuclear family and how having both Dad and Mum at home increases the chances of your child's success (and your own physical and mental health wellness) twenty fold.

But then this comes at a cost. Robust social aid incentives aren't created out of thin air. People don't work for free. As an ex charity worker myself I know that you can't just hire social professionals to do a days work for free -- they have families to feed too. And our projects and the distribution of those projects, the money has to come from somewhere.

David Cameron had a vision of Big Society when he first came into UK office about us all helping each other, but in turn it was just a shady operation to skim off the top of spending. Like most of these shite social incentives by government. Poorly thought out and corners cut everywhere. We laughed because we knew that eventually our funding would all be cut to nothing and we'd be looking for another job in a few years.

But this funding to keep us all in jobs it came from somewhere and it came from rich donations. The kind of donations you don't hear about because it just attracts too much attention from the public. When you offer it up to discussion of the public it becomes a kangaroo court rather than a free exchange of ideas. I think in our team our yearly turnover was at least $2 Million.

But we earned very little back. The problem with charity work and helping the underprivileged is that it leaves so little room for turning a profit. For example you can't shout at someone struggling with anxiety to meet your hectic deadline, that's silly. You introduce them into a pressurised environment very slowly so that one day they might be able to manage it. I've found exposure therapy to be extremely effective, but again, everyone's different so you have to think on your feet at all times.

So unless more money filters downwards, and for free, then the poor are going to be continually used, abused, and neglected.

You could argue that we could all just work for free in a fair and just society, or that we could all be paid the same in an equal, fair and just society so that everyone benefits -- but this idea is even more stupid and here's why.

The idea, whilst extremely well intentioned, will play out in the most horrific ways imaginable. It took me about two weeks of paying everyone the same in my community to realise that I would eventually get fucked by a train sideways.

Whilst my discord community is no financial authority, or government institution with unimaginable clout to back up their claims, I still had a small amount of finance to distribute to my community contributors in ways that they seen fit. Everyone was equal in my discord, regardless of race, creed, gender, or sexuality. If you wanted a role with me you got paid end of. Everyone was so exited about the idea and we eventually became so pumped about starting something never done in cryptocurrency before. An equal coin. Well, it was named Brocoin but we were all equal in the eyes of my coin.

Sadly this all started to crumble at the seems when people began utilising their output and coins in different ways.

There were people that barely showed up to work for me yet expected full payment. This was fine obviously because I wasn't going to let the idea of meritocracy get in the way. That was until of course, the other people that were carrying the entire discord on their shoulders began complaining that they were doing so yet receiving the same as the ones that barely lifted a finger.

Not only that but some spent what they had as soon as they got it and complained that they never had enough, and some saved every penny of it hoping that we'd be huge one day. Hat's off to you @burlarj.

So equality was only a visualisation in my mind. When it was applied to the world though, the winds of diversity of thought took it into wildly different directions. I realised that we weren't equal at all, and we never will be.

The only way I could apply any form of equality was to force it on my users. And that's against my ethics and morals.

We could also make the argument for a co-operative society. One that works together with each other for the common good and better goals. Most famously portrayed on Star Trek. I think the Federation was a sort of co-operative society. Where money wasn't a thing but everyone tried to work together for the betterment of the human race.

But in a co-operative society what do you do about those radical "other" thinkers? And in that society any sort of thought that strays from the social and financial norms would be considered radical. Think of it realistically. Imagine if someone started saying, "I don't like the way this society functions. I hate it. It sucks."

Imagine the poison that would inflict on other people that freely co-operate? And the disturbance to the social cohesion within the group?

You would have to oust them from society, or better yet, take them out of their homes in the middle of the night and execute them. Then tell their families that they have fled to the west -- please tell me you get this reference lol.

In my mind, and from what I have seen in practise is that any form of equality imparted on large groups of people will have to be done so brutally and without care or empathy.

"Let's take from the rich!! They have enough money."

I actually used to think this way a while back. Part of me used to think that taking from people that have and giving it to people that have not is the way to go. Like Robin Hood stealing from the Sheriff of Nottingham. Stealing from the rich to give to the deserving poor.

But then once I had accumulated a fair amount of money myself I began seeing the argument from the other side.

For as long as I could remember I haven't been a high earner. Happy to take my paycheque and go home and scream at the big man because I didn't make enough. It just didn't seem right. So I blamed people with money.

But what a lot of people don't actually understand is that wealth accumulation takes a lot of blood, sweat, and tears. Sometimes you can be going at it for years before you hit the sweet spots. Sometimes you can be going at it forever.

The blood, sweat, and tears that I have been through to get to where I am today is beyond imaginable. I've had to sacrifice almost all of my addictions, nights out with my friends, and a good portion of my free time. I would like to really be playing Mass effect 2 tonight but here I am writing to you guys, a sucker for punishment I am sometimes.

The rich ride isn't an easy one, and unless it's something you've always wanted to do then I'd advise against it. The richer the people that I meet (and I meet a lot in crypto) generally, the smarter and quicker on their feet they are. People don't accumulate wealth through luck and clumsiness. People accumulate wealth through razor sharp intelligence.

But that goes against every grain of what I have been taught as a child and a young adult. In fact it was hard writing that. But the more people with abundant wealth I meet, the quicker and sharper they seem to be.

I guess we run with that falsehood that it's easy to be rich so that we can dream of being rich one day but at the same time fill a necessary gap that the world can function.

Without the working class, the world would cease to operate. Those bins need emptied, and those toilets definitely need cleaned for sure.

And now that I have a semi-decent wealth pot I am less inclined to give it away needlessly. Why should I give away something that I've worked really excruciatingly hard for and could have a far better quality life if I opted out of the train?

What makes you so important?

What gives you more inherent value than my wealth?

Why should I give to you?

Would you be just as happy to give away your money like me? Or is it just me that should because I have more? How is that fair to me?

Of course you're preaching to the choir here because I understand the need for abundant social provisions and I'm always donating away something here or there, but that doesn't make those questions any less relevant. The question you should be asking yourself this is:

If you don't think you should be giving away your money, then how should I be required to give away mine?

The answer is an easy one though. The harder that you tax rich people then the quicker they leave for other areas where they aren't so heavy handed. You just need look at California and their great exodus. It's got so bad there that they are looking at trying to tax ex-residents.

So then this brings us full circle to the same question -- value, rewards, and the fairness of it all.

Well, I can guarantee you there will never be a truly completely fair society. For someone to win, there will always, always be someone that loses - whether you like that idea or not. When you buy Bitcoin on an exchange and make 10000% -- someone still had to sell you their bitcoin. Therefor they lose.

There is no equality. Only winners and losers.

But to give us a fair and just society then there needs to be a fairly robust safety net on the bottom, but also a fairly just system at the top.

Right now corporations are escaping with paying no taxes -- look at Starbucks in the UK for example. Because their main office is in Ireland then their tax gets waivered. Truly astonishing, and fucked up. They say Capitalism is flawed, and it is.

In any truly free Capitalistic society then it creates monopolies. The best idea wins and eats out the rest -- creating a small group of monopolies over us all. Take Facebook and Twitter for example. Twitter banned @splinterlands with no recourse to those actions purely because they were competing in the same space as them.

Capitalism needs at least some breaks on it to allow for competition.

But that being said I do wonder if the big three have realised the end of their business cycle and are desperately trying to grasp at their monopolies before they come crashing down underneath us. Watch this space.

So we've realised that both the extremes are flawed in every way. Maybe now it's time to meet in the middle? Perhaps?

I dunno. Some random thoughts for today.

Peace :)

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Wow, am deeply honoured for the mention..Thanks Mr.ray!..

To those who believed you owe them a dime or have that feeling of entitlement, I think they really need to work on themselves..

Life is not balanced and it can never be, equality is out of it...

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Hey Burl!

Veni, Vidi, Veci.

I came, I saw, I conquered

At least those new BRO's you own are now worth an incredible amount more :)

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lol yup yup and i believed they will be worth more in the future.. gracias

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wow, that was really a great post , its sure took time to read indeed.😉

mankind since the days when we were swapping our goats for some carrots and a slaughtered cow.

sure the time has changed a lot but deep down all the things work the same as they were in the old times. There are sure things that we believe that is not good or bad for us or others.
no matter how the time will be but remember not all the time remains the same.

we can change if we really need like you said The blood, sweat, and tears.
and blur sir is indeed a great guy. He is helpful.

thanks

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Lol. You must be making solid points because I don’t even feel like disagreeing with you anymore.

I see the mindset you were referring to in everyone around me. They’re just waiting for the next institution to pick them up and carry them from where the last one dropped them.

They don’t care that they’re prisoners in their own lives, enslaved by debt and obligation. They sure love to bitch about it (or anything else for that matter), though.

Even something as simple as opening a Coinbase account for the $5 worth of BTC is too much effort for everyone I know, even faced with seeing its growth over the last decade.

I talked my s/o into investing in a few Splinterlands assets, some of which I delegated to myself, in part for compensation for the hassle of trying to drag her kicking and screaming into the future, and even though I’ve been over it time and time again, she’ll never figure out how to reclaim or sell them if I’m not around to do it for her.

I swear to Christ and Lucifer alike if I happened across someone who “gets it” I’d pack everything I own up in the truck and skip town as fast as the son of a bitch would roll. But I digress...

I think I said all that to say maybe I’ve just been trying to define equality from the wrong perspective. We’re all equally entitled to be just as poor and bitchy as we like. It’s just too much easier than sacrifice, discipline, and effort.

Fuck ‘em. I guess they can keep going hungry for everything they’re too lazy to go get. I’m tired of trying right now and don’t know why I should even bother. I’ll find better people to associate with higher up, anyway.

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Haha. At the end end of the day it's a double edged sword. It is a human problem. We are all humans. And we will take what we can get! People see it in divides -- rich/poor, lazy/sharp, balck/white, but in reality we're all just human trying to make the best out of what we have.

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Lol. Finally something I can disagree with!
My point was they aren’t trying at all. They’re just waiting for something to drop in their lap and for someone then to come unpack and handle it for them.

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Education on economics, mindsets of abundance and less shit that's addictive being available on every corner would go a long way. The issue is that those things don't benefit the current system... keep them dumb, dependant and addicted... that is the road to generational wealth increasing over generations. It is a tough nut to crack... it's easy to see the problems, solving them...


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Yep. Easy for me to write about them. Actually trying to solve them though? Fuck that lol. Need someone braver than me.

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Education on economics, mindsets of abundance and less shit that's addictive being available on every corner would go a long way.

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It is an intresting point and whole i understand the process of.being semi wealthy and not wanting to just give it willing without due thought. The playing fields do need fair ground so we all have an open chance to success and mot punish people who cannot or unable to help themselves.

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Yup it's a fine balance that must be struck and one that keeps gaining and losing ground over the centuries.

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Haha, from the title, I thought it was going to be another rant about post rewards or something like that but, I to my pleasant surprise it is not, lol. Great post and one I fully agree with. There is a fine balancing act for sure that we all have to play. Wealth is also all in the eyes of the person. You can be poor but have wealth in other areas, such as health and family, you don’t have to be rich to be healthy and happy and or have a strong and healthy family unit. And in allot of cases, the rich are extremely unhealthy due to their extreme lifestyles. Fat and happy doesn’t mean healthy… Lol. Or they have families that despise them unless they are getting their share… Seen this too many times… So to me, it’s all in perspective. The problem is, society tells us to look at it in a certain light so that we all have the same view on what wealth is supposed to be and chasing after the same shit. Hell, I am the happiest I have ever been living the #vanlife, having the minimal things I have and stacking my sats while trying to build my way in this world, the way I want to live it. Not the way they want me to live it.

Anyway, sorry for the long comment, kinda goes with the long post ;)

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Ah, was just talking about value as in resources. I could do a whole new large post on intrinsic value lol

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Yeah, I am not sure there is an easy balance between the two. You are are always going to find some hard pros and cons on both sides. I do agree that on average it is probably a net negative to raise a human being. Some will buck the trend, but the average will be negative.

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Reading the first half of the post I thought that I would debate, but the second made it very easy to agree :)

Capitalism is not perfect system for society, but it proved to be the most efficient one. And this thriving of science and technology maybe will bring us even easier life. Even if we are not at the top.

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Right now neither are perfect :) Imo. Would like to see a meet in the middle. Where the rich pay more.

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You're so unfiltered and you always speak the truth. This is why I've always liked your posts since Steemit days!

To create more wealth that means there needs to be more opportunity.

I have another pov tothis, even tho there are opportunities for wealth or even jobs, some people are just not capable (skill-wise, long-term thinking/handling finances, etc). I've seen this. For ex, there are so many construction jobs offered by the wealthy people / real estate companies and so many people raising their hands to do construction work. Guess what, just because they can pick a nail and a hammer does not mean they can do the job. So yeah, employers end up not getting the job properly done. And ended up employing people from other locations (who had opportunities for education, are capable and can get the job done).

I don't really know where do we start. Maybe education first? Total environment and culture overhaul (these things do affect people's mindset) I'm not talking about getting a degree or something. People just have to have some awareness or right mindset on things. I've been on both sides -having a business and working for others, I have wealthy and poor friends. I admit that there were times when I've leaned way to just one side... and then I reminded myself of what's like to be in someone else's reality just to maintain that balance.

I think in the end people are people, and we do have our own flaws and are all capable of evil.

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Pretty much what I was trying to reflect in my post. A balance. Right now it's crazy. I'd like to see more community spirit imo. From both rich and poor people.

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A thought-provoking post Admiral. I like it! 👍🙂

As you say, you are asking age-old questions. Funny thing is, somehow the age-old answers never "stick." We seem perpetually doomed to "rinse and repeat." Generally, with some nonsense like "Well ... They just didn't do it right. We will do it right!" Sure thing ...

On this ...

"Well, I can guarantee you there will never be a truly completely fair society. For someone to win, there will always, always be someone that loses - whether you like that idea or not."

... I agree with the first point. I most definitely do not agree with the second.

The foundation of good business is creating a "win-win" value proposition for both parties. It can be done. It has been done. It always should be done. I would suggest to you truly free markets are an essential way of addressing those who choose to engage in "I WIN - You lose" propositions. I could write a post in support of these assertions, but ...

I'm busy ... 😉

I hope all is well with you and yours Ray! 👍 Until "next time," off into my day ...

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..but then out of your win-win agreement (which I try and make a lot of those myself lol) there is always going to be someone elsewhere that loses. Could be just as simple as the people that missed out because the other person made a deal with you instead of them, or as complex as the Somalian pirates because the oil digging has wrecked their countryside.

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I had been coming across this article several times this week and my first thought was this article is going to be trash and just a way to justify this false system of capitalism that is really corporatism and i'm just going to waste 5 or 10 minutes and no sense in responding. I saw a title of a post you made like 11 days ago. I avoided it then because i was convinced it was going to be garbage.

Then i thought about your readers and i felt i have a responsibility. So when i first started reading i went well maybe this won't be trash. It's not reading like i thought it would. At this point you're talking about volunteerism. You're talking about unemployment and the guy saying he'd pick up shit. That guy is the same guy who believes we're in a real system of capitalism. Many of the far right people fall into that category they still believe that but hopefully by the end of my response they'll question that.

So i'm like okay pretty good so far. Then it starts to go left lol. We start with the ridiculous theories and stats. The first stat that comes up is everyone is born at a net negative even the baby and so on and so forth. How is the baby born at a net negative when we need them for human survival lol. How is the baby born at a net negative when they enrich the lives of their parents who in some cases can't find value any other way. How are they born at a net negative when the universe has given every being the right to occupy a certain point in space and time meaning they can't move from that space unless you move them and cut them in pieces. So that space they occupy is theirs that is a universal law in every measure of time they are there.

Now i get you'll say well we talking about in the financial system the currency system. The currency system and the financial system is false. it's made up it doesn't exist, lol. It's either paper or intangible or its digits in a nether online world dimensionless that doesn't mean anything in any state of reality as to its just down to resources and if the baby eats or don't eat.. if you have access to the resources or not etc.,

You have to deal with this at the rudimentary level. Where do the resources come from? They generally come from the land? Who owns the land? Can you really own something you never created or manufactured or produced? Like can you own a mountain? So where is this working hard stuff you talking about? No what you talking about is someone by force took and robbed and killed a bunch of folks to say they own something. Then they may or may have not worked the land.

This is called politics and these are political wars that has nothing to do with actual value and who deserves what. You have to start at the very beginning to fully understand this complicated situation. Most people don't wanna do that so they give us these garbage theories about how the world should work and what is fair and what is not fair.

It doesn't have anything to do with fair. It's about efficiency and what is the better system. The problem is in human history if you got like say 1% of the population and lets say they own 87% of all resources.. Anybody with a logical brain would come to the conclusion that no matter how you spin it. it makes absolutely no sense for 1% of the population to sit on almost all the world resources to fulfill a political idea in a false sense of freedom. I hope you all follow what i'm saying here.

One of the greatest minds of our time said that "freedom starts at breakfast". Can you imagine how ridiculously silly it would be for 1 person to control almost the entire world's resources just to say in his mind he's free. The other part is in our history there is no example of a healthy economy that looks like that. As the divide and disparity becomes ever the bigger gap the economy goes bad. It's nothing to do with fair or who has to give money away or keep it. It's about trying to adjust to that catastrophy that we know will happen.

Unfortunately this is the simplest part of this. The more complex part is automation to add stress on this and the last year covid 19. So with automation if like in your earlier example you're looking for a job and this guy telling you that you're lazy. Because its always lazy or lazy employee its never cheap slave driving employer who doesn't wanna pay you what you worth. It's never that of course not.

So with automation to me thats really what complicated things. Now you see in front of your face unless we choose to be idiots that automation is really taking jobs. Then you have these far right einsteins mostly that go oh we been through this before and we'll do it again. So what they are doing is comparing like 19th century.. 20th century technological advances to 21st century humanoid singularity artificial mind synthetic humans to the cotton gin. This just shows the level of stupidity in these people.

Then they go we're going to train 50 year old truck drivers to be computer coders. There is a mouse in their brain running inside a wheel. In the idea of meritocracy and who works hard and who doesn't work hard and who deserves what. I do believe in meritocracy but i also believe that capitalism doesn't and shouldn't start at zero. I think it would be an agreeable false statement to conclude that everyone with most control of the resources works hard. I think we could agree that's not true.

It got me to thinking that as a society we should not have a transferrable estate. I know many would frown on that.. Interesting story Warren Buffet as you all probably well know is giving the majority i think over like 90% or even more to charity and his family is getting very little money from his estate. I agree with that because its one thing to get what you deserve on merit and receive things and stewardship over them you haven't earned just because of what your family name is.

Some people disagree with that but thats an entirely different conversation i could argue for hours. So we not talking about taking from people who earned something through hardwork but how in a society do you account for everyone who didn't and got something. So whenever you think about its not fair. think about how its not fair to the rest of us. When companies don't pay taxes, when they hide money... when they buy politicians.. when they make laws.. etc., Think about the so called people you deem haven't earned what they get in comparison to what they're getting from taxpayers and when all that is cleaned up maybe it will be enough jobs and resources for everyone so there needs no additional system balancing to what you deem fair or not. They use terms like we're getting something for nothing. They got it backwards no they getting something for nothing by not paying the resources on the land that belongs to the inheritors of the land the citizens.

I use to work on wallstreet and the advocacy work i do comes from a certain understanding of how the world really works. I own a 7 acre ranch i could be several dozen homes on. Generally my biggest complaint is what new gadgets or shoes i'm going to buy next or what next car i want to own. I"m a single person. I remember a wise man telling me that as a single man when you eat your entire family eats. I think the stats today is that it takes $500k to raise one child. I look around with my assets and life and problems and its not long before i determine most of the world aren't in a position to even have a family. I live a relatively dream life in comparison to most people i know. Go on vacatons when i want.. eat what i want .. drive what i want date pretty much who i want etc., etc., I say all this to say you don't have to be in that situation to act against this or understand it.I"m an advocate because i know deep down how the world works this makes no sense. I know that when you have an oversupply what you need often times these people become interested in control of other people" because what else is there to do with more than you need especially in a greedy capitalistic promoted system of living but do that. That's what they generally end up doing.

The problem is more money means more control over people and their lives because you can restrict and control their resources now you control them. You understand? it is naive for us to think thats not what this generally ends up being. So this type of enslavement is not freedom and most of the world is not free how could they be. This system you all call capitalism, thats not even that, thats been imploding for almost 100 years now. Anybody with eyes can see this is not really freedom to the majority of the populace.

Even when you look around projects like hive the stats are even worse. Of course they try to justify it with their spill but i believe the reason hive is what 200 to 300 place coin is because of these erroneous ideas that are i say a form of ignorance. I can't prove thats why hive performs as bad as it does when it should be like a top 10 coin i think steem at one time was. It is geared towards social media which should draw many people and it doesn't. My theory is that the hive users don't understand but i haven't compiled enough data but it is a accurate guess i believe.

I had to rush through this because i have so much to do today and there is a ton i could unpack here but i'll leave you all with what i think is a very good video.

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I feel like I have to upvote this comment 100% because it should be a post itself lol anyway. ☺️

I know that when you have an oversupply what you need often times these people become interested in control of other people" because what else is there to do with more than you need especially in a greedy capitalistic promoted system of living but do that. That's what they generally end up doing.

So I have a post that tackles this topic or when one has more than what they need. Or some unrealistic amount of wealth. Aside from having power and total control over other people, I think it's a given there must be some sort of addiction to gaining more or having more just like in gambling. Deep down we know its not right anymore but still we go on betting to win more. A way to cope or a need to fill the void in their emotionless world perhaps? I think as one gets wealthier, one might be losing some moral compass in there . I just think having that criminally insane amount of wealth will make you feel like you don't give a shit about the rest. Who am I to say this now anyway? I wouldn't even trust my own darkness when I am in the same uber wealthy position. Maybe Id be more diabolical lol.

There must be a way for our society not to completely degenerate into Darwinism. I mean we are human beings.

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Shh @diabolika don't encourage him lol. That video he shared -- he was talking about "unconditional land redistribution" which translates to - give us your land or we'll kill you. This is what Chairman Mao did with the Chinese. Crazy. I switched off when he started calling people that hardcore believed in Capitalism were far right.

Of course he did make a good few points, but I feel they will be wasted because whilst I'd take away from him, he'd take nothing away from me. Thinking he knows better and I'm just some dumb shit that doesn't know what he's talking about lol

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"A large analysis published in the journal Nature Human Behavior used data from the Gallup World Poll, a survey of more than 1.7 million people from 164 countries, to put a price on optimal emotional well-being: between $60,000 and $75,000 a year. That aligns with past research on the topic, which found that people are happiest when they make about $75,000 a year."

https://money.com/ideal-income-study/

Ceo takes pay cut to raise minimum wage to $70k a year for all his employees

Lies that rich peope create jobs below

The idea of people then are motivated to use money for the expressed purpose of controlling other people becomes a more solid theory when you review some of these resources. Although i'm not a psychologist it does beg the question what is going on here? What is the purpose of locking up resources that others can use based on false ideas like the rich create jobs.

Ideas for you to say you have freedom you need to be able to buy all the toilet paper and peanut butter in the store. lol.. which is interesting because even if you look at the mania that persisted during covid 19.. you have all these people buying all the toilet paper and hand sanitizer in the store haha. A lady bought all the toilet paper and was making thrones out of the toilet paper sitting down in her basement as it had no use and we didn't run out of toilet paper that week they restocked the shelves and the only thing that happened was you had most of the people in the area without toilet paper when they didn't have to be. It just made absolutely no sense.

So the stores figured out to limit the amount of supplies you could buy for the public good. They made us wear masks because your freedom to not wear a mask impeded on my freedom to exist in a healthy environment. When i lived in florida a very rich area affluent people living on this pennisula you'd think living on a pennisula surrounded by water you wouldn't have water shortages just felt ironic lol.. We'd have water shortages all the time. So the rich who lived there they'd continue to waste all the water in elaborate multi million dollar water features etc., They'd get fined they'd pay the fine go right back to wasting the water and everyone else who couldn't afford to pay the fines would have to suffer from water restrictions whilst they didn't.

I say all this to say that we have some type of warped idea of freedom and oppression and screaming about taking the lands from the people etc., They aleady took the land.. most of us don't even own any land for them to take because they already have it. They got it backwards it's the other way around we're saying the land belongs to the people already and they took it. Who is they well its a combination between the corporations in league with the government and rich people. We have to include rich people because corporations are people and the biggest shareholders in league with the government meaning the government is the source of their power through regulation. These people are the controllers. " So don't listen to Raymond".. he's not dumb but he's certainly ignorant to this.

I call out the far right because these are generally people who will come to places like hive because they already been kicked out of the other social media networks generally based on their false dangerous information, racism, sexism you name it. So they looking for a place to go...they are promoting corporatism and confusing it intentionally or unintentionally for capitalism.. and we also have the looney left.. The thing though is the looney left often times don't believe it's capitalism either so that kinda saves them but they can be as dumb.

I'm a true capitalist but i know we can't have true capitalism here and we have to balance it with mechanisms.. So i believe in capitalism but in this form of capitalism i don't believe it has or should start at "zero". So this is a problem we need to get educated on. "freedom starts at breakfast". Choice of masters is not freedom.

I'll leave one last video i find interesting about what really goes on in these systems they believe work a certain way. I'm glad you can appreciate where i'm coming from most people do but these systems have managed to put the boots on their necks so hard that the poor souls can't really function or fight long or hard enough against it.. So they've been successful in that. Even around here on Hive .. Hive can and should be performing so much better .. I would go as far to say that there is no reason hive shouldn't be a number 1 cryptocurrency and many of the tokens we were discussing on another thread that are pretty much worthless could be so much more valuable.

However i'm seeing a pattern now. If this small minority of people think like this and i say small because its really not that many people on hive and now i think i have a theory why. Maybe hive is performing horribly because its these far right people ideologies not clicking with the rest of society thats what i think it may be.

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hmmm... what a interesting array of thoughts... I think value is never measured fairly, equitably too...

Kids, pets... I have two cats I spend well for their upkeep no moneratary value for it, other than some Caturday posts of mine that have earned pretty well at times...like one post got 54$...

However, wheather I get any monetary value out of my cats, I still will spend for their upkeep because they are very valuable. They give me happiness and contentment that improves my life for instance.

However, I am not those smart people who can earn money smartly, elagantly, I actually always been you know cheated out. Not paid enough for my education and all the money my parents spent for me - schooling and higher education never paid off...does it hurt.

Yes it does. Problem is me, but this is not about me, although it makes society feel money is wasted on a underserving person, a much more denied soul would have benifited from the education I got.

But I think that thought is wrong. There is no gaurentee just through education, putting on the best bests anyone would be a hit and being a hit has several definitions as well.

Anyway... someone also commented that you know I will never grow rich by myself because I don't know or too lazy to find out how to deal in crypto with dealing with centralised exchanges that do KYC...without knowing how to trade stuff without paying taxes...

and I feel that even if I had the money which people like you did not, the world has been a difficult space for me to thrive and survive. Maybe I was afflicted with too much fear and socieal anciety in school that I could not do well and that impacted me as a adult...maybe its the circumtances, so maybe I am not such a net negative...ha, ha, ha.

So, in my experience value is never fair...parents will pamper kids if they are rich and spoil them...and currency is not the ultimate value...its only there for a better quality life and hapiness and if you have enough of it then its ok to donate it to someone needy but has potentential or someone who is doing good work.

Anyway... good day.

I really bloody wish these capilists and political class go slim with the money and use it to create actual value. Improve education, health system, infrastruture, environment so that life is ok for the working class and they don't get exploited.

They may not grow rich, but have a decent quality of life, that is a right of everybody. ANyway.

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Interesting thoughts!!

A bit about my life - as a young boy I grew up in one of the poorest areas in my county. I mean in comparison to the UK lifestyle I grew up on the real lower scale. At 14 I found drugs and drink, and by 19 I was a heavy drinker and drug user. At 21 I ended up in a psychiatric facility, and later a secure psychiatric facility.. pretty much dribbling all over myself. I was diagnosed with Paranoid Schizophrenia.. so Anxiety to the point of delusional.

But I got myself some help in the end. Learned a bit about myself, took myself through education, worked hard, and here we are. Your friend is right, if you don't sit down with rich people and learn from them then you aren't going to be rich -- but then that may not be your goals, which I applaud that.

I think you've got capitalism wrong. If we were living in Capitalism then everything would have been crushed back in 2008. No, the government bailed out its bankers and made the public pay, which was the same over around the world. So what you have in actual fact is crony capitalism where the rich protect the rich and their mates -- it's sort of like socialism for the rich.

Anyway, I really agree with you here:

I really bloody wish these capilists and political class go slim with the money and use it to create actual value. Improve education, health system, infrastruture, environment so that life is ok for the working class and they don't get exploited.

If we actually improved these qualities then our society would be abundantly rich, if not financially then at least in the heart and mind -- and I've always found that if you are rich in the heart and mind then the financial part comes easy. But, that would be too damn easy!

Generally, I just wish the rich would pay their taxes. That is all. We've went from a fairly sound system to one that protects the rich.

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Wow... Your background is similar to James Bowel's whose fan I am, because he wrote books on his adventures with cat Bob that changed his life and made him financially cool!! And his story happened in London.

The point I want to make is empasis is on money but money does not give you happiness. We are paronoid about money so much so, that in my society even to marry parents look for a well earning person, point is that's not the only reason to marry.

There is more...adventures, experiences, travel, food, good times that money all cannot provide or provide. And I feel that we can earn good money if we stratergise properly, then work hard on something your passionate about and I know that won't be easy because atleast I am not the street smart kind.

I am worried about climate change now, so we need lots of money to buy oxygen just to survive and food prices are high due to inflation awhich is shooting up.

Do you realise that earning money is not enough now...you have to invest it so that it would grow to be enough to cover the inflation costs. This part is hard, though not that much for people like me who are into assets like crypto which has potential to explode in price and value in future.

That's where I can get expotential money growth although I know I have to trade it well ...take profits, buy the lows but still I have good oppurtunity to be in prosperity.

However...challenges are there...the bloody unreasonable taxes...and I don't think its justified to pay taxes on these profits if I earn them, because the India Government will charge unresonably.

So, I feel we are trapped by this system and I want to break free from it and that's why crypto and blockchain allured me in...so I can own my money instead of paying to the Govt. that won't use it to better stuff but only to benifit themselves and the rich folks...

Anyway...its a adventure right... how we overcame difficulties and earned the money. You must be feeling great!!

Please enjoy the wealth you created...and only if you feel like , then donate some to something worthy(:

Remember to enjoy the wealth by doing things that make you happy now...not just save up and not use it. Anyway.

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