Hive Bonds: How Much HBD Will Be Produced?

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What a week it is for the Hive Backed Dollar (HBD). Since we last discussed it, some terrific things happened that should help to propel it forward.

To start, we saw the witnesses raise the interest rate from 10% to 12%.

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While a 2% increase might not seem like a lot, keep in mind that it is higher than what the 30 years US Treasury Bond is paying. It is a base layer system with zero counter-party risk. This is a point that cannot be emphasized enough in this world of "rug pulls".

HBD As A True Stablecoin

Much of the focus in our discussion surrounding HBD is to make it a true stablecoin. The entire premise behind Hive Bonds is to help generate more HBD to enable it to function in that manner. It will help with the volatility associated with the price as well as offering the liquidity for people to conduct commerce. It would also provide Hive with a base-layer fixed income market, something that is being destroyed in our present system.

We also need sinks developed but more on that in a moment.

The Hive Backed Dollar is backed by $1 worth of HIVE. A question keeps coming up as to will there be enough HIVE available if we expand it at a great rate? For that reason, let us extrapolate out to see where we will be 20 years down the road.

Before getting to that, we need some context for the stablecoin market. Here are some of the present totals for the most populat stablecoins:

Tether 77 billion
USDC 42 billion
BUSD 14 billion
TerraUSD 9 billion
DAI 9 billion

As we can see, to be a legitimate player in this industry, billions of tokens are required. This only makes sense since it is used for commercial purposes. Many are starting to believe this will get into the trillions in the later part of this decade.

In short, we need a ton more HBD.

Going back to the post about Hive Bonds, we have these proposed rates:

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For the sake of this discussion, we will use the 35% rate understanding that not all HBD will find it into the highest yield category. Nevertheless, if we want to get the "most" case scenario, this will do it.

Running the numbers, starting at the roughly 25 million HBD in circulation today, using a 35% return, here is what the chart looks like:

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In 20 years time, there will be roughly 10 billion HBD in circulation, presuming all HBD that was in circulation was put into the 30 year bond fund. While the likelihood of this happening is low, the key is will there be enough HIVE to back this. If the HBD total is 10 billion, that means we need at least a $10 billion market cap in HIVE to back that up. From where we are now, that is roughly a 20X over two decades.


We are ignoring the haircut rule which would push the market cap much higher. The idea is to see if there is a minimum level of achievability.

There are also other ways to create HBD outside the savings/bond realm. However, we can figure the 35% is overestimated and that will compensate for other means of generating HBD.


Of course, we are presuming everyone who has HBD suddenly wants to convert it to HIVE. This is going to be impossible since most of the supply, according to this example, would be locked up for varying lengths of time under a 30 Year Bond. Only a fraction of the HBD would be available for conversion even if it was desired.

Nevertheless, following this modeling, the amount of HBD available in 2 decades would be 1/7th the of today's Tether amount or 1/4 of USDC. It seems like this is still minor league comparatively speaking.

Naturally, the use cases become very important.

Use HBD To Bid On NFTs

Dlux.io just announced that people can bid on NFTs that reside on their platform. This is an auction-type system where users can sell their NFTs. Buyers have the option of making bids using DLUX, HIVE, or HBD.

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They added a few more features to their site according to this post:

Today we're releasing a few features that should make our NFTs more desirable to collect.

  • Hive and HBD denominated Auctions
  • Hive and HBD denominated Sells
  • Hive and HBD secure Transfers
  • Selling your Royalties is possible

This is one example of where expansion can happen on many levels. As the features available on DLUX grow, this makes it a more attractive destination to develop NFTs. Of course, as more NFTs are created, this will generate more auctions where people are selling and bidding. This will, in turn, utilize more HBD.

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Ragnarok Is Coming

We just got a post called Ragnorak Is Upon Us. In it, we were given some of the details of a new game that is being released on Hive.

This is another NFT-based game that is leveraging the ownership ability that blockchain provides. The specifics were lacking at this time yet there was a piece that is pertinent to this article.

The game is going to use HBD as the purchasing token for some gaming abilities. There are a few examples listed in the linked article which you can check out.

It was summarized this way:

The game will have many HBD sinks. The HBD is sucked into a "blackhole" via the SIP v1, where it will be locked away to earn interest in perpetuity.

Here we see a key concept. The HBD is going to be "locked away" to earn interest. Obviously, by using the word "perpetuity", we can presume this is not a short-term period. Again, we do not have details of what it will be but what if a base-layer option to earn 35% annually was available? Would this be of interest to this gaming community? Think about the revenue that could be generated just in interest payments alone if the game became very popular. This could be used to fund rewards for the players as well as future development.

This is something that all could be resident as a Layer 1 feature on Hive.

Another point was made at the end of the post:

This post is already getting long, & we could talk about Ragnarok all day. The game itself we will break down next week. One tidbit we will leave you with is there are many levels to this game. For instance, a long-term MMORPG (think WOW, but you own it) plan involves the very NFT's you get. This will be a game foundation for many various interoperable game trees to grow from. One account, one deck, all games.

Can we presume that as the game trees expand, all purchases are going to require HBD? It seems very likely given the tone of the rest of the article.

In closing, it is safe to say that the previously mentioned rates will not produce too much HBD compared to the market cap of Hive. We know that not every HBD is going to be locked into the 35% category. In fact, we have to believe that the conversion of HIVE-to-HBD is still going to be a vital feature to generate the HBD required.

What if Ragnarok achieves a similar level of success as Splinterlands. While that would be amazing in the blockchain world, it is still small in overall gaming. Yet that alone would cause a huge need for HBD as players engage with their NFTs. A hundred thousand players would require some HBD to keep improving their experience.

As stated before, the situation with HBD is "the chicken or the egg". We need more HBD on the market yet, for that to happen, people want to see more use cases. This is going to be a continuing situation until enough use cases are on the market for people to use. Then, it is likely, that most will realize how we need a lot more HBD available.

Hive Bonds is a way to develop a fixed income market on Hive which provides a powerful DeFi solution. At the same time, it will generate a lot of HBD which is required. Finally, people will not be afraid of locking up their HBD long term since the bonds will have the liquidity through the selling of the "bond token" on the internal and secondary markets.

All of this will help to stablilize the price of HBD, helping it to keep the peg.

We are already starting to see some things falling into place.

What are your thoughts? Let us know in the comment section below.


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I am waiting to buy Hive Bond with my HBD.

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That is good. You might be waiting a while since we are only in the discussion stage. I have a feeling it will be a more realistic option in the first half of 2022 if we see more sinks developing. As stated, we have a chicken or egg scenario.

Also, the price of HIVE is going to dictate a lot. If the market cap keeps expanding, which I expect due to the need for RCs as we get more activity, then we will see another run higher.

All of this should make people more option to the potential of what is needed. Also, perhaps the peg starts to hold more. We are improved where we were only 6 months ago yet require more.

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So to generate bonds HIVE must be used to convert it to HBD?

Also, do you think bonds must be implemented as base layer on Hive blockchain? Or it can be NTF on "HE" or "dlux"?

I think it should be NFT, because every bonds will have unique creation time and end time.

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No the bonds can be created simply by putting HBD into one of the different categories (from 1 year to 30 year). The key is where will the HBD come from. If someone wanted to invest 30 million into it right now, that is not possible without converting a bunch of HIVE to HBD since there are only 25 million HBD on the open market.

Extreme example I know but it gets the point across. To sustain an economy, we need to have enough currency available for all commercial activities. My view is that for HBD to be a major player, it will require a lot more of it on the market. This is one of the points of the Hive Bonds (another is to establish pristine collateral which the global economy also needs).

Also, do you think bonds must be implemented as base layer on Hive blockchain? Or it can be NTF on "HE" or "dlux"?

Ideally it will be a base layer operation. Having it as a second layer means that we could see the same asset class tokenized a number of times. This would negate the entire premise of collateral. How could we have 5 bonds backed by the same HBD on many different sidechains? There would be nothing stopping the repeated creation of NFTs using the same asset.

Here is where we get into some of the technical aspects of the blockchain which I am not sure about. There is the ability to time stamp each transaction. Thus the blockchain knows when a HBD was placed into a specific "bond category". It also knows what the parameters are on that, meaning a 30 year paying 35%. Hence, I would think it only a front end assembling of the data to calculate the appropriate data on each other.

So my presumption is that by reading the transaction data on the blockchain, each "token" could be programmed with the specifics which then could be shows on the exchange.

I would love to see some of the thoughts on those who are more technically adept with the blockchain on that.

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The more I discover about Ragnarok the more I feel like it is going to become my main occupation in 2022. HBD also on its way to competing with the highest paying stable coin savings protocols out there. Anchor is giving 15% for UST stakers and this is probably the best deal in town. Everyone else is down to single digits which would put Hive and HBD in the top 3 at least.

It still surprises me that the whole crypto industry is unaware of what is going on around here. Maybe Hive bonds will be the tipping point.

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Anchor is also not a base layer operation hence there is some security threats. The key to a lot of what we are proposing is that, when it is at the base layer, we are dealing with enhance security. Plus with HBD, it is still in one's possession. Nothing is staked to an application removing it from the user.

The more I discover about Ragnarok the more I feel like it is going to become my main occupation in 2022.

As I was re-reading the post, I was thinking the same thing. This might be something to sink my teeth into and get involved with early.

So many possibilities.

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Anchor is also not a base layer operation hence there is some security threats.

Yeah, can't really compare the two but since people only loot at APY numbers you can't get their attention with double digits.

As I was re-reading the post, I was thinking the same thing. This might be something to sink my teeth into and get involved with early.

Sounds like a ton of fun so I'll be seeing you at the yearly tournament I guess.

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HBD is becoming more precious and its use cases seem to blossom in 2022. The greatness of it is that being like a stablecoin can ensure anyone a steady and predictable income beating any bear market that may come around.

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That is true although I would say the greatest benefit of the stability is for commercial purposes. A stablecoin removes the volatility associated with holding a token. This means that vendors have risk reduced for transactions that take place before they are able to convert the payment into something more stable.

Imagine selling an item for a token that drops 20% overnight while you are sleeping. That could take a profit on a sale and turn it into a loss. This is something that merchants worry about.

Adding in layers of return to generate HBD is going to expand the entire reach. Hopefully we get some things rolling out and more people focus upon HBD to help this along.

We have the makings of something great here.

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Can we presume that as the game trees expand, all purchases are going to require HBD?

Probably yes but since the code will be open source there could be a DOGE variant. 😄

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Especially if Elon gets a hold of the code.

He will make the Tesla game accepting DOGE as payment.

And then someone can create a Shiba Inu version.

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It all comes to value in my opinion. Once people start developing great stuff on the block chain and they use HBD as one of their currency, the compounding effect will hit us in a shocking way.

When I say great tuff, I mean stuff that is not mediocre in the gaming world.

Something that can battle with anything in the web 2 world.

I mean if a game is built in a way that can be compared to games in PS5 with an additional feature of play2earn, there will be massive compounding effect.

This is my little cent

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Certainly we need gaming to focus upon making a great product that people want to use. That is the key. Right now, we see the focus upon the monetary aspect which is fine for the early days but is not going to attract the masses.

You are right, the first kick-ass game that emerges and captures the attention of many will really accelerate things.

Will it be on Hive?

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Will it be on Hive?

I wish it will be on hive. This is where I talk about building something worth more than money.

The reason why people play fifa is not because you can make money from it.

As a matter of fact, I just knew about people earning money from fifa after play for 5 years.

We need to build great businesses and a lot of things on hive.

I can't wait to see good graphic games on the hive blockchain

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The reality is we still dont have a game that most truly love to play in blockchain gaming. Of course, we really dont have a great deal of "action" games yet. We will see what comes out over the next year.

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I wonder how pegged HBD will manage to stay after all this(bond, Ragnarok...)

It's gotten my attention though. I was planning to stake some USDC on crypto.com next year, but I guess I'll give HBD a try indtead.

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It will be interesting to see how this all works out. We will have to generate use cases and expansion. They are going to have to happen at the same time, running in parallel.

That is my view anyway. Get a bit of use case going with Ragnarok and see what happens. My guess is we have a bunch of HBD locked up very quickly.

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This game is going to replace some people's full time jobs just like Splinterlands has. The good thing is, we now know the potential of a Hive game. It's go time.

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We will see how it all shapes up. I do not have a great understanding of the game but I am willing to learn.

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I think that's the key here on Hive. Most of us are willing to learn.

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Very interesting info.

I love what has been going on with HBD. I am putting a large part of what I make in the savings account. If bonds become available to all of us, I will buy some of them too.

Also, Ragnarok is very exciting.

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Yeah the bond idea seems to make sense to be. I think it is a fantastic way to attract larger amounts of capital to Hive.

This is something that would reach outside the ecosystem considering the fact that it will be a high yield, very low risk asset.

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That whole Ragnarok thing had kind of slipped under my radar. I am not quite sure how, but I was pretty excited after reading the post. I am glad the moved it back up to 12% for HBD. I thought they had moved it back down to 10 for a short period of time.

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It was bouncing around. I am not sure but the consensus witnesses have been changing a bit. It might have been the last witnesses was changing things if there was some flipflopping.

Who knows. It seems stable now at 12%.

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That is awesome. Maybe we will see 20% or higher at some point too.

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Might be. We will see what happens. Getting some use cases for HBD is vital. Then we can discuss the need for more tokens out there.

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Developments like this is making HIVE one of my main focuses.

While I've invested hundreds of my own cash into projects that have done nothing but yo-yo in price, HIVE has made me literally thousands of dollars without any investment (other than time). I think maybe it's time to reconsider throwing money at risky starters and start putting it into something that has proven itself.

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Many of us do a little of both. Most start ups fail but getting a nice stake in something that explodes can be life changing.

That said, you are right: have your core holdings in something a bit more secure. Is HIVE at that point yet? To many it looks that way.

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I wouldn't mind the HBD bonds because 3 years on the the 30 year bond would already net you 100% of your original investment. It seems like a no-brainer at least and you can always sell off the bonds on the market if you need to raise cash.

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Without a doubt. Of course, the smart money will probably sprinkle their holdings around some.

Either way, I think it will be a major success and attract a lot of new capital to Hive.

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Ragnarok would be a huge sinkhole in my opinion. Right now the Cartel tokens are also being sold in exchange for HBD. And who knows if we could convince splinterlands to change the credit mode to HBD, that would be fantastic.

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Is this the ragnarok origin people already play online , or they are just using the same name ?

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Yes the rise in the apr even though it is only 2% is pretty good considering what you get elsewhere.

HBD being used as a purchasing token will be interesting moving forward especially within gaming condidering how many transactions take place this will really push up the value.

Awesome post @taskmaster4450 have a great week:)

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The greatest use case for a stablecoin is a parking spot when someone wants to de-risk a speculative investment.

Being used as a "parking spot" would really enhance HBD. It would mean stability is there.

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Stability would be great for sure, a lot of coins fluctuate so much.
Never heard the term "parking spot" before in this context.
I always learn from you thanks buddy
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As far as I know, HBD was not designed to be a stablecoin at the level of a platform as Hive is about to become, but just as it was at the beginning, let alone at the level of the crypto industry. In my humble opinion, a new stablecoin would need to be created from scratch with a similar structure to UST with its own supporting currency, like Luna, so as not to rely on or unbalance Hive. No offense intended, but what you write about bonds are, as we say in Spain, just "mental straws".

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Why would you have to tie to Luna instead of Hive? I am not following you.

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Because of the haircut, HBD cannot exceed a certain percentage of the Hive volume in order not to destabilize it. This completely limits it. Also, Hive is going to have many use cases and what may be good for Hive may not be good for HBD and vice versa. If HBD were tied to a currency whose only use was to support it, as it's the case with UST and Luna, it could be used much more efficiently. Again in my humble opinion, what the developers are trying to do to improve HBD are just patches to turn it into something it's not initially designed for and, therefore, I don't personally think it's going to work, or at least not at the level you are speaking about.

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That is true but the haircut can be altered. In fact, it was an arbitrary number it appears when first started.

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Is there an option to earn curation rewards in HBD as opposed to just as HivePower?

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PoB isnt a part of HBD. It was never included in that. That was relegated to HIVE.

As a stablecoin, I think it operates on a different level.

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Personally I would definitely do a 5 year and who knows maybe a 10 year as there is no rush when thinking long term. This could be the perfect retirement policy if you funded a decent amount as it needs a strong base. All good things come to those that wait and bonds is a waiting game. I was wondering how many people would power down to fund a decent sized bond.

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I was wondering how many people would power down to fund a decent sized bond.

Interesting question. I am not sure how many would do that. It is possible that there would be some. That could really reduce the supply of HIVE which would be a mixed blessing.

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I will wait till next year when everything comes to reality and see where i stand and how I can make hood use of this

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You didn't actually explain how a bond works. Principal and interest only unlock after the time limit? Users can buy/sell the debt peer to peer before it unlocks? I know nothing about bonds.

Also, what about permanent bonding where only interest is generated? Seems doable with such high yields. Although potentially unsustainable long term.

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stablecoin market.

Tether 77 billion
USDC 42 billion
BUSD 14 billion
TerraUSD 9 billion
DAI 9 billion

Having own decentralised stable coin HBD is a huge bullish factor for Hive!

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If the HBD total is 10 billion, that means we need at least a $10 billion market cap in HIVE to back that up. From where we are now, that is roughly a 20X over two decades.

So that means we either need Hive price to go much higher or huge number of users to join and the price to not tank (which kind of is implicit if adoption grows exponentially). Or both, of course.

If adoption grows exponentially, we can afford a higher inflation to speed things up and grow both circulating supplies (for Hive and HBD), which will be needed as numbers go up orders of magnitude higher.

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I would love to see Hive Peg HBD to something else rather than the Dollar. With the crazy inflation going on in the US I think it gives a false sense of value. Let Us link it to tulips. TBD has a nice ring to it.

With that said I am very happy to see HBD getting some economic uses.

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I think that's a reasonable direction, or perhaps define the peg in such a way that inflation per year is capped. We can stick with USD for now since it is still widely used, but the USD continues to hyperinflate we could programmatically have a path to say syonara.

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Of course, my tulip suggestion was a joke but if and when the dollar fails I believe we should be ready. Gold could be an option but I know that is also manipulated.
I hope for a day that HBD is something that other currencies are pegged to.

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The proposed rates are a bit daft, nobody is going to lock up for more than 1 year because there is no incentive to do otherwise. The risk reward ratio is out of whack

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Congratulations on having the post with the most upvotes of the day. I would invest in HBD Bonds. The APR is really good, especially compared to average returns on the current bond market.
Blockchain technology is so new I understand all of this is a risk, but I see this catching on like wildfire.
I am not going to pretend to know how Splinterlands works, but I know enough to be able to say its earning potential has people involved that have no interest in gaming.
If Ragnarok can come close it will be a huge success.

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Glad you take the account of HBD seriously.
I think more posts are needed to inform hivers
the power behind HBD.
You mention chicken or egg. comparatively is there a way for the blockchain to get one billion HBD in couple days through cash influx?
I think the creation of HBD derives only from the blockchain.
There is no way to create HBD by a stroke of a key.
your thought @taskmaster4450

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