With HBD At 20% Interest Will Everyone Abandon Hive Power?

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The results came through last night. The consensus Witnesses voted to increase the interest on HBD that is placed into savings. It was 12% and was increased to 20%. This is a very aggressive rate for a stablecoin.

We see a lot of excitement over this and for good reason. HBD is being positioned to really have a major impact upon the Hive ecosystem. This is another step in what, hopefully, will be a string of actions that take place, all putting HBD at the forefront of the stablecoin market.

With this recent move, many are worried that the attractiveness of the ROI will mean that a lot will sell their Hive Power and rush into HBD.

While there might be some who do that, it is not likely to be very many.

In this article we will detail how things work and why this might actually drive more people to power up HIVE.

Before going any further, there is no doubt that we need to consider ways to incentivize staking HIVE. This will be the topic of another article.

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Hive Power Is Gas

This is probably one of the most overlooked, and unique, features regarding Hive Power. It essentially acts as the "gas" for the blockchain. If one is interested in engaging, he or she must have Hive Power. There is simply no way around it.

With the next hard fork, we are going to see the ability to delegate Resource Credits. This will do a lot to put idle RCs to use. It will allow the applications to delegate the ability to operate on-chain.

However, the bottom line is someone still has to have that HIVE powered up. Whether it is an application or individual, Resource Credits come from Hive Power.

Therefore, if the shift to 20% is attractive to many outside investors, they are going to require a Hive account. Along with that, to conduct transactions means some Hive Power has to exist somewhere. At this level, obviously not a lot is required. However, if the project becomes highly successful, it could mean a lot of accounts.

HBD Is Not Speculation

We discussed the transition away from speculation to fixed income. This is where Hive can position itself very well. HBD paying 20% in savings is a fantastic start in this area.

That said, just like not all are cut out for speculation, the reverse is also true. Some people enjoy the game of buying and watching something run up in price. The idea behind a stablecoin is aimed at the opposite.

This move by the Witnesses have many believing the future of Hive just got a lot brighter. For this reason, it stands that the native token (HIVE) should appreciate in price if activity grows. Therefore, selling all of one's HIVE for HBD means this opportunity is missed.

Of course, many people will take a blended approach. Few put all their money in Tesla or Amazon in spite of their outstanding returns the last few years. Yes a portion does find the high flyers but other types of investments receive funding.

The same is true with Hive. Many will load up on HBD while also having Hive Power in their account.

Governance

Here is a big one. Do you want influence on the Hive blockchain? Then the only answer is to have Hive Power. HIVE is also the governance token.

With it, we determine the fate of Witnesses, proposals, and help to direct the reward pool. All of these are features of having Hive Power.

Does anyone foresee the larger accounts powering down a huge part of their HP holdings to garner 20%. While it is an outstanding return, this is not likely the largest payoff in the end. Again, there are so many different characteristics related to Hive Power that we have to step back to understand all that it does.

Of course, many of the larger accounts believe in the future of Hive. For that reason, they, I am sure, will see the potential for massive price appreciation.

20% is a wonderful return on a fixed income investment. Nevertheless, it does not compare to the 5x or 10x that HIVE can do if things really start clicking.

Those who are serious about the future of Hive understand the importance of governance. It is vital to have people involved who are dedicated to the future of this ecosystem. The Witnesses are the ones who drive the chain. Here we see people who are technical in nature. At the same time, we need to put people in place who are concentrating on growth and the appeal outside the system.

Hive Power is still a very important component to the functioning of Hive. It is a mistake, especially for smaller account, to take all their HP and switch it to HBD. They are two different types of investments. Having a voice in what takes place is essential.

It is imperative that Hive has a lot of smaller accounts looking to double or triple their HP in a year. When one has under 1,000 HP, that is possible.

People Will Not Abandon Hive Power

The bottom line is the benefits of holding Hive Power are still in place. Certainly we should look at ways to make powering up HIVE even more appealing. That said, it seems few are going to move all their assets from HP to HBD.

When people look at it from purely a ROI perspective, then we could see that behavior. That is not the majority of the Hive ecosystem. Many are dedicated and emotionally invested in seeing us succeed. Earning a few percent on one's money isn't the most important factor.

Should people put money into HBD? This is not financial advice but certainly it is a great return. Therefore, putting liquid capital in there is a great idea. However, we all know Hive offers so much more than just a ROI.

Those who are thinking long term understand there is so much here. After all, was HP the best return on Hive over the last couple years? Perhaps money might have been better off in Splinterlands as opposed to Hive Power. Yet, in spite of that, there was still plenty of money locked up in HP.

I have a feeling that many will be surprised. This move by the Witnesses might, over the long term, actually push people to stake more HIVE. It could have the exact opposite effect of what many believe.

That said, it is great to have options. And HBD placed in savings just became a more attractive option.


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I look forward to people powering down, the more curation rewards will get the users who did not power down!

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That is very true. I people do power down, those who remain powered up will share more in the reward pool.

Another reason to stay powered up.

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I'm personally not thinking of powering down for HBD's 20%. Using Hive Power to curate is a more generous way to building your wealth and allow others to grow too.

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Two different ways to grow your account. In my view, both should be utilized.

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Yeah. I've decided to get passive and actively earning from HBD savings and Hive Power. Looking more carefully towards pHBD pool.

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It will be interesting to see the details. I have some money outside of Hive that I might roll into that.

We will see how it all goes.

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What is the roadmap like when it comes to pHBD pool on PolyCUB?

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I think the road map is set it up.

They were testing it the other day. No word on expected release or when it will go live.

One post had it after the Bonding but that might have changed with the new APR on HBD. That generated a lot of excitement and Khal is looking to take advantage of that I would think.

So it is in the sooniverse.

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Yeah this is the beautiful part of the game. It's cool when we have several opportunities to choose from and each with awesome winning features.

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I believe this doesn't stop individuals from having or powering up more hive power because every actions taking here is a win win scenario no doubt the 20% APR on HBD is pretty much attractive and a good development to see the HBD progress and both hive power and HBD in savings can both move forward in a positive state for future financial stability.

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People are going to do a variety of things because we are not all built the same. Some are going to unload some HP while others might add.

This is going to be interesting to watch. The bigger players will most likely not adjust their position. They could add in some more outside money though.

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We are all entitled to our own opinion but at the same time it is all beneficial in the blockchain

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My quick opinion is if HBD is a safe and stable place to keep cash then I can keep my extra funds there. I am likely to take the interest and roll that into HIVE each month.

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I think for many it will depend upon the price. If, for example, there was a pump in the price of HIVE, you might do the opposite. Take some profits and roll them back into HBD.

Options are always nice to have.

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I believe there will be more tendency to hold liquid Hive as HBD stablecoin when the price of Hive increases. However, power in Hive both takes long time to power down and shows your influence in the ecosystem 🤙🏽

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I think you are right. There could be some more liquid held on chain for trading opportunities and rolling back and forth between Hive and HBD.

Certainly a sensible move to take advantage of the pumps when they happen.

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Certainly interesting that it happened so fast

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I am sure there were lots of discussions in the background about this.

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Over time (past 1-2 years considering what should happen as HBD begins to work better), yes liots of discussions, but this particular change caught on quickly. It had a lot of support and didn't need much discussion.

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It appears the success of UST made it a bit easier to see how successful it could be.

Of course, there is VC money there where we are operating on a decentralized platform. We will be a bit slower but more successful long term.

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Yes it is interesting. Some of the pushback I got when attempting to build support for SBD and then HBD for years was that Tether was the most successful therefore nobody cares about decentralized algorithmic stablecoins.

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...therefore nobody cares about decentralized algorithmic stablecoins.

The threat of regulation certainly changed that opinion. People will really start to question things when they realize those entities behind Tether and USDC will have to come under the banking laws.

Decentralized algorithmic stablecoin on a blockchain with time lock capabilities can evolve into the most precious asset in the international banking/financial system: pristine collateral.

The best part is that system is already ledger based (albeit not transparent, open, or inclusive). Few realize how Hive is one of the limited ones that actually can make a dent in this area. Suddenly we are talking a market that operates in the trillions.

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bad marketing and no scaling were the problem and are the same problem today :D

But I have the feeling HBD doesn't work like USDT because we don't have smart contracts. Mean we don't have 1000 pairs of tokens to it.

It means no volume and arbitrage trading,

means unstable price. means unstable underlying coin.

HBD stabilizer can work to some point. But it can be only a support thing. It must have dozens of pairs to stabilize it and allow constant arbitrage trading.

If HBD gets played wrong, it can destroy the chain tokenomics.

in 12 months we see terra will still stay. Maybe.

Waves Neutrino stablecoin shows. With the difference is that coin doesn't affect inflation.

I know people on hive love the idea of printing HBD, i mean i like it too. And if we want a get-rich-quick scheme, we should do it.

It will be stable as long DAO fund can stabilize it ( and maybe a time beyond).

But it also depends all on Bitcoin. It's like nobody remembers the time before the bull run.

Btw, i think creating a second stablecoin on hive with collateralized underlying assets could be a better step to bring more cash into the game.

So we can pool HBD to New Stablecoin. Makes HBD more stable and the new coin eats Hive and other crypto assets for creation.

So we dont risk high inflation on hive, but have all the positive effects on Hive and HBD we want.

HBD doesn't scale that fast and scales with users + the new one is for trading and thrill.

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It is a process, that is for sure. Liquidity is certainly a problem.

However, I disagree about the comparison you made. The inflation is not a problem at all. If growth is there, inflation means nothing.

This is the digital world. I am not sure why people are really concerned about that when there are millions of things being created weekly.

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is more like a computer game. At the end there must be a reason why people want it.

The best reason is to make money in form of liquidity and arbitrage trading, It needs way more uncertainty to get it unstable.

Simple print only causes damage in a long term. To get it stable in another way without causing inflation would mean real-world use cases.

Like people can use it to buy real-world shit. And way more users.

Growth in numbers means in terms of inflation Numbers go up.

Numbers go down = higher virtual inflation.

With the negative catalyst effect !!!HBD CREATES NO MARKET DEMAND FOR HIVE!!!

So on good price sports it simple creates more. So negative effects become stronger.

20$ to 1$ ( 20 to 1)

100$ to 10$ ( 10 to 1)

HBD is retarded by law. It makes no sense the underlying asset inflates with it.

Id devalues Hive and adds high risks to the network.

And 1 large stakeholder takes advantage of that in a very large scale i know.

(7 DIG hive holder). And not with trading. With simple use HBD ( former SBD).

Maybe there are other too. But if you power up for months and a abuse can devalue your stake, i mean why?

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At the end there must be a reason why people want it.

Of course, Use cases are vital. Without that, nothing has value.

The best reason is to make money in form of liquidity and arbitrage trading

Yes and to have arbitrage opportunities, there requires more tokens and places to arbitrage. Right now, it is almost impossible for people to take advantage of those opportunities since there is little available and few places to actually trade it.

To get it stable in another way without causing inflation would mean real-world use cases.

Real world only? I would disagree. People spend a fortune online (especially in gaming). So to overlook the ability to to operate in the digital realm is a mistake. True at the moment HBD is not used in that manner but it is something that can be created. Applications need to start accepting it as payment.

HBD CREATES NO MARKET DEMAND FOR HIVE!!!

At this moment, no it does. But if there is a demand for HBD, then the demand for Hive naturally correlates. That is where the elasticity comes from. It is completely driven by the market needs.

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Their is different benefits from holding HBD and Hive and totally different Investment, no matter what people will still power up either way save HBD for interest.

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That is true. They do serve different purposes on the investment spectrum.

So it depends upon what someone is interested in.

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I guess I need to find $200,000 ASAP now lol 20% is some seriously huge amount of interest I'm curious how this is going to play out on the price of everything.

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Great to see the community getting what it wants!

Growing my HP still remains a priority even with the sweet 20% APR on HBD savings. Also the more I grow my HP, the higher HBD that comes in for me in curation reward to further save up in HBD.

I see a win-win situation that requires giving a balance.

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Curation is paid out in HP.

But increasing your influence will help your rewards overall I would guess. That will allow you to feed more into your HBD savings.

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I can speak only for myself. I will certainly not power down any Hive in the near future. I will even power up Hive. I have some plans, including buying Splinterlands cards, improving my radioamateur station, and of course powering up Hive. My intention is to build my Hive account in long term. I would like to become a dolphin over time. I am currently a minnow with 1547.492 Hive Power. As I know, I will become a dolphin somewhere around 5000 Hive Power, so there is a (maybe not so) long road to there.

But I also understand those people, who will power down. The 20% interest rate is very attractive/catchy, and HBD is a stablecoin, so it is indeed not a speculation, but a relatively low risk investment.

20% is a wonderful return on a fixed income investment. Nevertheless, it does not compare to the 5x or 10x that HIVE can do if things really start clicking.

Let us hope for that. There are many good projects on the Hive blockchain, and there will be more, so it has the potential to do that.

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Let us hope for that. There are many good projects on the Hive blockchain, and there will be more, so it has the potential to do that.

I believe we will get the 5x or 10x at some point.

And you keep active, you will get to your 5K goal. Of course, the amount required for Dolphin keeps going up. It is now like 5,500 HP.

But you will reach it.

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Unless you are really new you could jump and power down.
Hive powered remain the best kept secret of this blockchain.
20% will help short term folks to see another avenue.
Like you mention Hive is the long term approach while HBD may be the short term.
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At 20%, the option to save goes from good to great. I'm taking a balanced approached to saving vs power.

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While HBD benefiting from 20% APR sounds great I doubt many would power down to buy HBD and stake it. Having HP you can earn more HBD and you are also positioned in holding an asset that will appreciate much more than HBD does.

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If I had like 100 000 HBD I could live of the APR easily. A pleb can dream :)

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Really? 20k/year doesn't buy very much. Do you live in a low rent country?

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I pay a bit under $300 for rent. So yeah, I live in a bit of shithole country but I have a decent life here so I can't complain :P

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One could live comfortably on 20k a year in my country! Wouldn't be a king or anything but still a decent lefe

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Yeah I hear you although in my neck of the woods, 20K is hard to live on.

That said, I am a long way from the 100K.

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Blended is key. Just like moderation in life. As the old saying goes, don't post all your eggs in one basket.

Just before I read this post inwas thinking what bits of Bitcoin do I have kicking around that I can convert to HBD.

I am stuck in the slow and steady approach at the moment. But I am going to racking my brain to start finding funds for HBD. I will keep building my HP also to try and rebuild from 2021.

It is extremely an exciting time to be on Hive. The future is so bright it is almost scary. Almost 😉

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Just keep pushing forward. That is all you can do.

The idea of growing HP is still a valid one. But yes, digging into the sofa for some spare change might be a good move. Dig up money wherever you can.

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I will not be powering down to put money into hbd. I am thinking about bringing other money into the hbd.

Good article. I love seeing all th enews and thoughts on this!

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I am thinking about bringing other money into the hbd.

That is the goal. We are at a time where attracting outside capital is a good idea.

This will really help to push things to a greater level on Hive I believe.

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People are missing on Hive power because it is not described in a way other blockchain users understand. As you pointed out, HP is the gas that you require to operate the chain. Once we have that idea, we will see the value of this governance token like others e.g. LUNA
I am bullish on hive and HBD.

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I don't think that a lot of people will sell their Hive Power and rush into HBD. It will depend on the user's investment choice. Some would like to wait to get %20 interest payout, some goes in for recieving curation rewards in seven days.

We will see anyway...

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HBD, DAI and UST can be totally non custodial if you access them from the a non-custodial wallet. UST has had these really high interest rates for sometime, I would have lost 3% just trading it into BUSD and then another percentage getting into DAI, which I have a bit more confidence in, in order to earn 26%. Your article convinced me to not trade my HBD away.

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The nice part is once you are in HBD, there are no fees or slippage. With the internal exchange, no fees although there could be slippage.

So a few advantages that make the APR a bit higher when fees are accounted for.

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I do believe there really are people who don't know that, yet. Spread the word.

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All I know is, A LOT of people are going to jump on to the Hive ecosystem after the implementation of 20% interest rate on HBD.

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We can only hope. It will take getting the word out there.

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That's the only challenge for now I guess, getting the word out there.

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Yeah. Well before we get to that, we need to get more HBD available.

This is going to be crucial. The conversion is really to complicated for the average new user.

We are going to need to see some bigger players start to convert HIVE and get HBD on the market. Polycub's LP will be a big step forward.

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Hoping for the best. 🙏

In my books, this is just the beginning. Hive has a long long way to go, a lot of untapped potential.

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I agree with you 1000%. We are still in the early stages. Best to keep in mind that, even though we have the legacy of the old chain, we are on our own for just over 2 years. A lot was accomplished in that time.

Imagine where we will be in another two years.

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Yess sir cheers to that. 🥃

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Personally (although I'm still a very small player !) I go for a blended approach. I tend to alternate between buying HBD and Hiver Power, mainly based on which one is a more attractive price at the time.

The only slight concern I have with HBD is my own lack of knowledge. I really don't understand where the money is coming from to pay such a great return. How would it be funded if a few external whales invest in HBD and then all want to cash out with their returns after a few months or years ?

As far as I can work out, the only actual revenue source HIVE has is from fiat people convert to HIVE or HBD; it doesn't sell a product, have advertising revenue or directly charge for a service. I adore Hive as a social platform and for the rest of the ecosystem, but I'm sure there's some piece of the jigsaw I'm missing that enables HBD to pay a 20% return rate.

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The interest paid to the HBD in savings comes from the inflation. It is new money created.

This can occur since the stablecoin has only 9 million on the market. Cant be a true currency with that tight supply. Need a lot more liquidity for it to be realistic for payment purposes.

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Only 9 million HBD in circulation but only the 3 million of that in savings earns interest. So this is really a very tiny amount. If that increases a lot the cost of interest may (or may not) become prohibitive and need to be reduced. But for now it is great.

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If that increases a lot the cost of interest may (or may not) become prohibitive and need to be reduced.

That is true. It can be reduced. Of course, the buildout of use cases and other utilities enter into the equation.

Hopefully people focus upon building and applications incorporate HBD into their operates.

Plus the two-way conversion mechanism allows for the altering of the supply as the HBD/HIVE holders see fit. A rather great system design.

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I didn’t realize that hbd was a stable coin. I thought it was modeled after sbd which seems far from stable.

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It was. The difference is there was attention paid to it and the development of the HBD stabilizer that uses funding from the DHF to buy or sell on the open market depending upon where the price is. This is keeping the price closer to the peg.

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Truly refreshing to see that there are more reasons to power up than just the curation APR. well, let’s enjoy the 20% APR. I guess we can throw a party now to celebrate

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It is lucrative and I almost unstaked butyou need to balance up a health HODL because people will be dumping Hive to buy HBD and if Hive keeps building it will grow more than that 20%

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The mooning of HIVE could far outpace the 20%.

For that reason, I believe a dual approach is smart. That is what I am doing anyway.

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Great salient points you raised. I see the Governance aspect of Hive Power as a very crucial aspect to be considered. The value of a blockchain like Hive is more than the straight financial interest we get. Even operations on the tribes are regulated to an extent by your Hive Power.

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Hive Power Is Gas

Not only is Hive Power: Gas,
But also that Gas is yield farmed as a separate resource.
This is something people grossly underestimate,
Because we've never run out of gas before.

This is going to have huge ramifications when the network hits a scaling wall. Everyone with a lot of HP will be safe from the high gas cost but everyone else will be looking for more.

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All good points. We are getting a glimpse of things with how tight the accounts are.

It will be interesting how things are when there are a lot more people vying for what is offered here.

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but the 20% is not guaranteed. High as it seems its still annual, and just like it jumped from 12% to 20%, there is no mechanism that ensures it won't be reduced to 0% if required by the deciders. Also Hive is traded while hbd is not traded. So in the end of the day there are major risks keeping too much hbd.

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Yes the interest rate can be dropped, just like in any area. Unless there is a time locked feature added where the rate is guaranteed, then it could change.

But then the price of Hive changes also. Over the last 3 days, one would be better off in HBD than HIVE if looking solely at the price.

It is true there needs to be more liquidity pools for HBD. That is being worked on.

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You are right and taskmaster already replied the reason and face behind it. I think holding HBD will bring more profit than before. I'm not yet sure and confuse to take any decision.

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After checking out Dalz's post also, I think we may have more Hive Powered up the future than HBD locked in savings. I look forward to that plot twist. Powering down my Hive for HBD isn't an option for me now. I'm fine with just saving any HBD paid out from posts and watching how this plays out.

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It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. I have a feeling that we will see a lot of HIVE converted to HBD if this becomes moderately successful.

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However, we all know Hive offers so much more than just a ROI.

Completely agree and in fact I will be one of those users who will continue to focus more on HPs than HBDs.
Attracting interest from HBDs will bring in new users and Hive will probably have a greater than 20% increase...or at least I hope so
Investing in HBDs means making an investment
Having more and more HP means being part of a project and having more and more weight in the project
Always interesting your articles. Thanks because reading your article has strengthened my idea of betting more and more on HP than on HBD.

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If nothing else, it is great for people to have options.

I have no problem is someone wants to power down and grab 20% by getting all HBD. Good for them.

To me, I want both and will continue to build both until I need the money.

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Of course I agree, two options are always better than one and the increased interest on HBDs will also be a way for Hive to have more attraction to outside capital.
My goal and vision on Hive is long term and I too hope to not need the money in the immediate future so as not to slow my growth.
I personally still prefer HP.

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Lots of exciting stuff happening. The delegation of RC is a big step in the right direction. It will allow start up games such as PSYBERX to get delegated RC instead of requesting delegated HIVE for account creations.

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Well the RCs are for engaging, account creation is something different. RC delegation helps once someone has an account but does not help to set them up.

That still comes from the claiming.

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I must of misunderstood how claiming accounts worked as I was always under the impression that claiming one cost RC . So with RC delegations shouldn't the account getting the delegation be able to claim an account with their delegated RC? If so that would mean an upcoming play to earn game like PSYBERX can purchase delegated RC and use it to claim account tokens and then offer said accounts to new sign ups.

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Hmm you bring up a valid point. Perhaps my understanding of the situation is awry. Maybe the delegation of RC (or renting) is enough to give them the chance to add more accounts.

Will have to look into that.

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Yes delegated RC can be used to claim accounts. But it is a lot of RC (vastly more than regular transactions) and there are only a limited number of claims available. If a lot of accounts are needed and/or if there is a lot of demand for RC to perform transactions, it may make more sense to pay for the accounts.

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Woow, más que asombroso, haciendo que siga manteniendose estable la cadena de bloques, esperamos ver el impacto que tenga en el mercado, y lo que nosotros hagamos para que sea así. Gracias por su trabajo

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This is now the hot topic in hive. 20% interest in HBD savings. This sounds really great because this way HBD holders can earn some extra that may help them to use for big power up later.

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I guess people will take the best of two worlds, that means keep the Hive power and start saving it in HBD too. I personally have started saving in HBD and might power down and convert to HBD when the Hive touches the ATH again.

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This Is crazy as you said, hive give us a Lot of oportunity to earn a Little money AND a short of money for an 20% without risk por a Little risk is it very very great form, well today y send my Hbd yo saving i do not lossing this oportunity hope tomorrow hive proceso do not drope enouth yo buy a Lot of hive,.
Best regard.

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HBD is very low risk in my opinion. Hard to find a better return with less risk.

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Exactly well as you said un the past are in our Mónaco country yo earn un all kind of form.

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The wealth that can be generated on Hive can be incredible. We might not be the US or China but our per capita GDP could be off the charts.

This move is only going to enhance the holdings of a lot of people.

By the way, there is more to come.

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If great things happen here there is so much airdrop on the way that sometimes you are not sure which one to focus on because you can't get them all simultaneously but well if we expect a great growth not like BTC or eth, or in the USA or China simile but we will have enough to live comfortably, thanks for informing us.

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Yes there is a choice in both time and resources. People are going to have to start to isolate where they want to spend their time and money. We are not a one trick pony anymore.

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You raise several interesting points, but the biggest reason I'm not even tempted to power down HP is because the passive earning of HBD will never match the ROI of HP if the holder is actively posting (successfully) to earn curation at a small-to-medium investment level.

While I think this is somewhat above the average, I earned roughly 500 $HIVE my first month on Hive which amounts to a required investment of 30k HBD (heavily simplified since I'm too lazy to do exact compounding right now ;P) to earn the same amount—passively—on a monthly basis.

That said, I do think more holders are likely to transition from 100% HP rewards to the 50/50 split to start building up HBD that earns at an appealing rate. HBD seems like an excellent place to park liquidity, now, given the short withdrawal period and competitive APR over other common liquidity stashes.

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That is true although I would guess that return is not simply from curation but also your article and comment posting.

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You're correct. I probably should have clarified, since I view authoring posts/comments as an extension of curation that requires HP for the RC necessary to actively engage with the Hive community.

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Ah yes. All very true.

To me, it is just a matter of noticing how it all feeds in together. We are building, that is what is important.

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powers down to earn 20% apr on HBD
Hive goes to the moon
fomos back into Hive

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Is that financial advice? LOL

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  • ...Fomo back into hive
  • Everyone looking for a Gini who can tell them the average price of hive over next 3 days.
  • Cash out, into HBD,
  • Lock into 40% return APR taskmaster super bond... YES!
  • Shit, Hive price goes up another 40% the next day
  • Find new Gini.
  • Loby task for 10,000% HBD bond return to take into account hive price rises
  • Final life advice, not financial advice
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Lock into 40% return APR taskmaster super bond... YES!

  • Collateralize the super bond on the SpkNetwork Repo market being sure to rehypothecate numerous times to reduce borrowing costs, making the collateral very attractive to borrowers.
  • Pour proceeds into more super bonds and repeat.

Do this enough and you get your own Gini.

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Sounds like rubbing the side of a gold pot until coins come out. but in this case, the coins actually come out. And they are real. Rehypothicated free speech

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Hmm when I rub, coins dont come out but maybe I am doing something wrong.

Perhaps I should watch the PG version of Jeannie instead of the Cummie token version.

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U know that’s on a blockchain forever right? Damn u need some ceramic light account quick time

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U know that’s on a blockchain forever right?

People are just lucky that blockchain is just text.

A day at the beach.

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SPK Network will preserve your filth as NFT memes issued by your community in case the become collectors items in the future.

imagine, buying junk shitcoin bonds with rehypothicated Task filth NFTs on SPK Network

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"Are you sure these taskmaster superbonds need rehypothecating again?"

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Those bonds will be so pristine they will have their own collateral chain.

We will build an entire financial system on top of them.

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We need to talk. As u know, we are
Getting to the point of being able to spin up side chains with a few clicks of a button.

Let’s have some fun and build some good old TRAD finance into the new decentralised token infinaspace

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Yeah we do need to talk about some things. It could be very interesting what can be done, especially if we can get time locked assets on the base layer of Hive. We could then spin a second layer, decentralized system that really could attack the foundation of the financial system. We are talking trillions of dollars each day in trilateral repo and who knows how much in bilateral.

Just a matter of forming the collateral which I have some ideas about. We can have a chat and I could run some ideas by you and then you can see how it could fit into your system.

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My god, imagine giving an old school wall street guy who knows this shit the ability to spin up a side chain.

That might be the most important click of a mouse button in the history of the world.

its ok tho, as Tasks node pirates will come along to start the chain up for just 1% of all time future repo trades. but only the ones above 500 million per tranch

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My god, imagine giving an old school wall street guy who knows this shit the ability to spin up a side chain.

There are a few rolling around who understand what I am referring to. The benefit is most of them are entrenched in the existing system and benefitting greatly from it. Hence they have no desire to gravitate towards this and create something better.

We do.

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bear hits in we have a bazillion HBD and become super inflation. if prices go to zero again.

I mean i like step 1 and 2 :D

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Yes. I’d hate that scenario. But I do trust that hive community is foresighted enough to not issue a bazillion hbd.

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The problem is technical hbd works like a short contract.

convert your hive into hbd on high prices and "buy it back at low". With the difference, HBD adds no demand at low prices, it simply creates new.

That's what most people do not understand ( or ignore). The mechanic itself if dangerous.

Edit: and we have exponential curve in converting HBD into Hive if price drops and converting is constant.

Every HBD converting into hive, increases Hive market cap and allow more converting on the edge a level lower.

This could be on perfect play end with 200% inflation from 7$ to 0,2. I have made a post on this long time ago.

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Yes. Clear. And what conditions do you expect to prevent that scenario from happening?

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i mean the current plan is increase the haircut to 30%, it adds more risk to HBD.

Best case IMO, delete HBD and add collateral coin.

The second best, create another stable coin for scaling and ignore HBD or pool it to the new coin.

So we would have a stable coin for payments that doesn't affect inflation.

Third option, chance the way of trading HBD ( like my market maker post i made longer time ago, market v2 or something like that).

So HBD would become more stable and DAO would work like a central bank in some way.

Sucks too in terms of inflation, but would be caped. So there is not unlimited drama possible.

I always think the way " what if hive hits 100$ or 20$ for some weeks.

So we can create enormous amounts of HBD out of nothing and if price falls, we create enormous amounts of hive out of nothing.

Remember last bullrun?

20%-25% inflation? I do. And there was no converting mechanic. All because of SBD and selfvotes.

And now the most important question.

Will we print the hive or fuck HBD holder?

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Interesting points.to me hair cut should stay at 10% at least for now. I had not heard that hair cut was moving to 30%.

I’ll think on what you have said above. There could be a separate stable coin on separate to HBD that is launched

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is planned as far as I know for next HF to increase to 30%.

Interesting to me is that you don't know about :P

I would bet huge money luna will bust, but I don't know how to short ( the stablecoin) it without risking the collateral ( free loan).

I mean downside should be 0, because why it should be worth more? But HUGE potential and that shit is HBD on steroids in a big ponzi way.

:D

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I was aware of the 30% recently. I would not support a jump to 30% especially not while increasing the hbd inflation.

The whole thing here is to be able to get a typical understanding of how much HBD may be coming onto the market incase of either (future) bond maturities or HBD interest and if let’s say a 3 standard deviation moves happens in the price at the same time. If the community can easily cover this with things like a btc backing or the existing HBD or hive that backs HBD (again future work to be built in) then we have sound monetary policy in place. But it’s when this becomes blurrythat we have a problem

For now I support a 20% increase in APR only on the basis that the community gets this understanding in place and that a long term lock in bond system for HBD will be built.

At that point I intend to support a much much lower APR for a 3 day lock in

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BTC backing sounds to me like a fairy dust promise. Bitcoin can easy loss 50% value from now.

So backing with an unstable asset makes it not better.

Only good for marketing in a starting bullrun.

But then on the other hand HBD doesn't increase with higher backing.

I see no reason why it should make sense.

back it with stable coins would make way more sense.

Like purchase 1M Busd - 1M Busd and other NON AlGO stable coins.

but for that, we need REAL smart contracts in L1 ( only for that purpose, can be closed ones) to make it really save and pool the tokens with HBD. With fee that increases the pool.

It's not for trading, it's for a safu exit if Panik hits in.

But backing or not backing it doesn't reduce the inflation problem at all.

I look at it as a computer game. If I see the possibility of abuse, the abuse will be used for sure sooner or later.

IMO HBD wants to be a super power tool, but at the end it is some kind of cancer for hive.

It adds in a worst case scenario massive inflation with best case short-term price pumps.

I mean i look at hive for long term. But i would be also in for a short pump and dump. Im sure someone will fork it and money is never bad.

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I agree with u. We need to keep a close eye on possible inflation coming due.

Does this mean u think that there is already too much HBD?

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No, I had some really nice discussions with smooth in the comment section about HBD. I think it should be close to over 100 now :D

I think we are fine now. I also think ALL plans for HBD suck ( that I saw). I know most will disagree with it.

But it's simply the fact if it can be abused, it will be.

I was always a huge fan of DAI. It's a solid coin and even after the 55% drop mid-last year it holds.

And it was a big and last crash.

Btw, hive is in general a bit weird from tokenomics. The rewards mechanics are for distribution. But to be honest is rewarding buddies, not value. I mean that's okay to me.

That's the same way i look at HBD. It doesn't damage if we don't have too much.

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Enlightening and educative article as usual. Powering down hp will definitely be shooting one’s self in the leg according to your analysis above. 20% Apr On hbd savings is such an amazing feat for hive I must say. Things we surely love to see!!

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I don't think I will abandon Hive Power and like you said it's still gas. At the same time, it's also the unit that we use for Hive Engine so I wonder if people will start dumping their second layer tokens for more HBD.

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That is an interesting take. It could be something we see.

The key is there are a lot of options for people. How will people handle it? The fact that 20% is nothing to sneeze at, especially considering it is rather low risk.

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I will be powering up every month. The 20% HBD is going to help the community to be stable.

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The HBD savings feature just became the world's best piggy bank. That said, HIVE is still king and there's just not enough for everyone. We will sooner or later witness massive upward pressure with the way things are going.

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That said, HIVE is still king and there's just not enough for everyone.

That has been my view for a long time. When things start hopping, we will wake up one day and realize there is a great deal of scarcity.

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One of the sweetest things about the 20% increase in HBD Savings is that it beats fiat anytime. I know a lot of people would be scared to save up their money in something they don't understand, that's the limiting factor but I think HBD is a better option..
Would I be using my fiat to buy more HBD?..well I wish i had enough fiat but I don't...so I'm stuck with being more consistent on this space and getting returns from posts payouts to save.

Pretty well explain post @taskmaster4450 , you do a pretty great job breaking things down ❤️✅

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Would I be using my fiat to buy more HBD?..well I wish i had enough fiat but I don't...so I'm stuck with being more consistent on this space and getting returns from posts payouts to save.

Right now, if someone wanted to buy large chunks of it, he or she would have a tough time with the present liquidity. That is why there is no problem with the 20% rate being sustainable. We basically are going to need billions of HBD if we are to be a legitimate stablecoin player.

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Right now, if someone wanted to buy large chunks of it, he or she would have a tough time with the present liquidity. That is why there is no problem with the 20% rate being sustainable. We basically are going to need billions of HBD if we are to be a legitimate stablecoin player.

True, that way it'll not easily lose it's value.

We surely are going to get that billion with time, everything in hive grows with time

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There is a lot of opportunity with Hive. HBD is just one piece of the puzzle. We have an opportunity to tap into much larger markets.

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I am with you on this as powering down some is the option but keeping Hive Power is the smart play. The possibility of doing a 10X is a given over time and those that climbed into HBD will lose bucket loads. The other factor is what about the support you offer others as if you do that you actually are offering no real value. The ability to grow is reliant on others around you and would definitely send the wrong message.

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There is something about the influence one has from powering up and how that grows as one keeps adding. You are right, there are a lot more variables than just the straight forward ROI.

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I think a lot depends on how the crypto market does in the next few months.

If we see a prolonged bear market, people will prefer the stability of HBD and it's guaranteed interest rate.

If it's a bull market they'll hold Hive with the hopes of making WAY more than 20%

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Certainly you hit upon the prime use case for a stablecoin. That said, for the traders you are spot on. However, I am not sure the majority of people, especially those involved in Hive, operate in such a matter.

Most appear to be accumulate and HODL forever. If there is a lot of trading of Hive, it is off chain. That could change a bit, of course, with the emergence of HBD. And the 20% "parking spot" is nothing to sneeze at.

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I would rather dump my HBDs for Hive if it goes below 80c. Will it go below 80c?

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Will it go below 80c?

My crystal ball is broken at the moment. I will have to let you know when it is fixed.

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This is the response I just gave somewhere else

It's not directly comparable because HIVE/HP has potential for appreciation. Within the past year it went up as much as 2000%.

The yield on HP makes sense to compare if you are considering holding HIVE instead (tradeoff between yield/curation/voting for HP vs liquidity for HIVE), but doesn't make much sense to compare it to a stablecoin.

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Very true.

Two totally different forms of investment. One is yield, the other speculation (and other attributes).

Pile the value into HBD after HIVE does the 2000% climb.

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That's a big point you made about HP being "gas". When I thought of reasons why people would stick to HP, I forgot about RCs. Which is a damn good reason to keep it.

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And just think, everyone who enters to utilize HBD savings needs....HP to interact with the blockchain.

Hence having more accounts operating on the system means more need for RC.

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I think it's a great move! Honestly, it won't really affect my plans for building my account though. When Hive is under $1 I intend to convert to Hive. When over $1 it goes in savings as HBD. All powered up Hive is staying that way for the foreseeable future.

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Something that I always think about is how some in the LeoFinance community cashed out all of their HIVE for LEO under 20c because there was 'no need for HP anymore'.

It didn't work out for them and it's not going to work out for those who shift their entire HP stack into HBD now.

HP is the key to the entire system and I actually expect demand for it to not fall, but increase on the back of this.

Exciting times for our blockchain ahead!

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HP is the key to the entire system and I actually expect demand for it to not fall, but increase on the back of this.

This is how I actually see it. Even if there is a push to transact in HBD, more RC is needed.

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Finally a good news. I will be transferring all the HBD to saving from now on.

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I also don't see the need for people to power down because of the 20% on the HBD APR so no, there will no abandoning of the Hive Power. But that all depends on how one sees it anyway.

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The people that will come in just for the apr on HBD / savings the better for the ones that keep their HIVE in HP. In so many ways!
The ones that understand this and see the potential of the growth of HIVE /what is possible, that comes with it. They are just holding…
I will 😉

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Without a doubt. There is a lot taking place. We are going to see a great deal of expansion over the next couple years. We just need to keep building things.

HIVE is where the total value of the system is reflected (or should be). We need to keep pushing things forward in that way.

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It's good hbd interest is raise to 20%,like what you said it's is good to have options but don't you think option shouldn't be more attractive than main focus

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I am not sure what you are asking? Could you rephrase it.

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What I mean is that,hive is the main investment, our main purpose is to buy more hive , every decision should increase the investment on hive ,every decision should be able to increase the buying or stocking of hive ,which will increase the price of hive,hbd is just back up investment ,so don't you think, this decision will make people invest in hbd more than hive

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HBD is a stablecoin. It is not a backup investment. It is a token that is designed for a different purpose. Hive has a lot of attributes that allow people to operate on chain. With HBD, we are going to have to evolve into engaging in commerce with it. Applications will start building it in and accepting it as payment.

Therefore, having more of it being distributed is a positive thing.

That said, you hit upon the topic of my next article, the idea of adding more value to HIVE. It should not be overlooked either.

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I'm not powering down at all for now. I will just put any HBD I get into savings, but convert it to HIVE for HPUD each month. A little extra from interest will be a bonus. I care more about building the platform than my personal profit. I'm doing okay anyway from curation and the various other tokens.

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That is one approach. Scalping a little bit always helps in the long run.

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I'm not against people earning what they can, but we need Hive to grow and we all stand to benefit from that. On the other hand, greed could kill it, but the community is pretty good at dealing with selfish people.

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Maybe there will be an increase in the HP roi, so that things will be balanced in a better way.

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Unfortunately this is something that can happen as with HBD it has a fixed APR of 20% which is something if not impossible to achieve with curation in Hive.

However, people who are already on Hive, I think, have already realized that Hive Power plays a fundamental role in our ecosystem and that it is what allows us to use all dapps without having to pay gas like in other blockchains such as Ethereum, BSC, Polygon, etc.

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Well the thing to keep in mind is that there is not going to be upside gains in HBD in terms of price moves. With Hive we can see a massive multiple upside move.

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Whoever is directly controlling the V2K told me to kill myself.
They told me if I killed myself now it would save the lives of countless others.
Saying the longer I wait to kill myself the more people will suffer.


They are reckless and should have shown the proper media what they had before taking me hostage for 5 years. I know there are many in prison that dont deserve to be there because of this. Your stay in prison will not be fun @battleaxe and friends. People are going to want you dead when they find out what you did. I hope you die a slow painful death. You sick mother fuckers.

https://peakd.com/gangstalking/@acousticpulses/electronic-terrorism-and-gaslighting--if-you-downvote-this-post-you-are-part-of-the-problem

Its a terrorist act on American soil while some say its not real or Im a mental case. Many know its real. This is an ignored detrimental to humanity domestic and foreign threat. Ask informed soldiers in the American military what their oath is and tell them about the day you asked me why. Nobody has I guess. Maybe someone told ill informed soldiers they cant protect America from military leaders in control with ill intent. How do we protect locked up soldiers from telling the truth?
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20% interest rate on HBD savings will attract many investors outside of hive as well, and not o forget that apart from voting, we also need gas power so need to keep hive staked as well :) I hope hive gets lots of popularity because of this awesome APR on HBD that it is offering, like LUNA - UST.

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Would rather use my external Fiat to purchase HBD rather than power down my Hive Power.

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