Evergrande Already Liquidating

The story out of China and what is sending markets down is the potential default of Evergrande. This is the largest developer in China and has over $300 Billion worth of debt. The company has assets totaling around $200 Billion, leaving it with a shortcoming.

What is worse is that most of their assets are real estate. This is a rather non-liquid situation which makes it tough to raise cash. It is one of the main drawbacks to real estate. Couple that with the fact that many of their properties are still under construction and we can see the bind they are in.

There are many challenges that are being faced here. We will go through a few of them.

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Liquidation Already Begun

This is not something that is getting a lot of attention from the financial media yet it is taking place. Reuters was able to uncover that investors in their wealth fund are being repaid in real estate. It shows that we are seeing the process unraveling before our eyes.

Investors obviously do not put money into a wealth fund to acquire real estate. Of course, when given the option of that or nothing, it is an easy choice.

The challenge is that the company is having to discount the properties to get people to accept. Another issue is that many properties being distributed are still not finished. This means that the market for them, on resale, is small.

Of course, discounting of a reported 25% plus the fact that investors want to dump them only helps to accelerate the decline of all other properties in that area. This is something that is going to keep happening as we can presume that Evergrande is going to have to keep increasing the discount rate to make it attractive for investors.

What Does The CCP Do?

This is putting the Chinese government in a very tough position.

On one hand, bailing out a bunch of bankers like the United States did a decade ago will not sit well with the Chinese population. As hard as it was for Americans to swallow, the idea of wealth inequality due to these types of overleveraging is totally unforgiveable. Thus, the government has to be very convert about things.

Of course, the government could just let the company fail. This all started because they wanted to tap the brakes on the overheated housing market. Well, it seems they were slammed. Not surprising that government intervention does not go as planned. Naturally, this is not exclusive to China since we see this each time government has the brilliant idea to meddle in the economy.

Regardless, having their real estate market completely collapse is not an enviable option for the CCP. While they wanted to cool things, the idea of obliterating it will crush the economy. This is not something they will allow happen.

Who Has Exposure?

Here is one of the biggest issues, both for the Chinese government and global markets. In situations like these, nobody is sure who has exposure.

We know there are a lot of Chinese banks involved. This is one reason why the government has to seriously consider stepping in. However, what about those who are outside the country?

This is a great unknown. It is also what many in the markets are fearing. Obviously, companies that have massive exposure are not going to go on television and announce to the world they are holding a lot of this debt. Instead, they will try to remedy the situation quietly. Sadly for them, it is not likely to stay that way for long.

We might not know who but we can presume there are a lot of other companies, outside China, holding this debt. They are facing large risk of default, making their holdings essentially worthless.

This could have a major impact on markets as companies that are hit by this have to sell other assets to cover the losses. Here we see the domino effect.

Debt In USD

This debt is in USD, not CNY.

When a company in the United States issues debt, it is obviously in dollars. When a company outside that nation does it, it have the option of doing it in their native currency or using the USD. Evergrande opted for the later.

Here is where the speculation comes in. Naturally, if one feels the USD is going down against the CNY, issuing debt in USD when paid in CNY makes sense. Effectively, the debt gets reduced due to the currency.

It is also where the government is backed into a corner. If they bail out Evergrande by backing the debt, they could devalue the currency, making it more expensive to cover. This would force Evergrande to raise more Yuan to become whole.

We also see the who else is in the same boat question. If other companies followed this same strategy, how much more could the CCP be facing? There could be hundreds of billions more ready to roll over and face default.

We can presume that Evergrande is not the only company in this position.

Backdoor Arrangement?

The government could get with the banks and work out an arrangement. They will get the debt extended, with government backing, yet no connection be released publicly. This allows the government to look like it is hands off but alleviate collapse.

It could also then leave the foreign investors, i.e. Westerners, out to dry. Call it a win on both fronts if this route was taken.

Of course, we would still see considerable damage to the global situation. Depending upon who is exposed, there could be more than $100 billion in foreign entities that is basically worthless. That is going to hurt any institutions balance sheet.

If it is American banks and insurance companies, it will hurt. Nevertheless, it will not take down the system since those entities are rather strong. The European banking system is not on firm ground however. Them being exposed could be fatal to some of those institutions.

A backdoor deal would alleviate some of the present pressure but it would also harm China a great deal internationally in the medium term. The fact that foreign institutions were hung out to dry would make other investors hesitant to get involved. Ultimately, that country could see capital inflows starting to dry up.

This is no minor issue and there is no "soft landing" on it. We are going to see a hard crash somewhere along the line. The Chinese government cannot successfully navigate this without some fallout. At this point, it is only a question of where it will hit.

We need to watch this situation closely over the next few months. There is likely going to be a lot more to the story.


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Of course they are liquidating but I am not so sure who will really want those properties. Last I read, I think there was a whole lot of parking lots sitting around but does anyone really need those?

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Maybe someone will buy it

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Yea but who? I can see demand for buildings but not really that much for empty parking lots.

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I would prefer the parking lots over a half finished residential unit. At least the parking lot, if located in a major city, has value in the land.

But it is like anything, hard to take this stuff if there are falling knives everywhere. Will the Chinese real estate market completely crater? If that happens, this stuff is going to really be hit.

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If China weren't anti-crypto, they might see USDT flying in to buy discounted assets.

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The Chinese government can buy into the discounted assets with Yuan, it doesnt need crypto for that.

However, a collapsing market is a collapsing market.

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If the Chinese economy were to collapse, it would definitely have a massive effect on the world situation. And considering the close proximity of my country and our "dependence" on China, I'd say it will have a bigger impact on us. I can only watch this situation and pray. There's nothing we can do about that, but on a personal level, I'm curious to know if it is better to hold HIVE, and other crypto, instead of USD in the worst case scenario?

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The USD will get stronger if the crap hits the fan globally. We often see a run for cash which, internationally, is the USD.

That said, hard to say with crypto. It is a risk asset so in a risk-off environment like that, we could see the entire sector hit. This is what happened when the pandemic and lockdowns happened.

Long term, accumulating crypto is a good choice in my opinion. There might be down markets but it will eventually move higher.

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The USD is an option to consider. I will check it out and maybe use it as hedge if this thing blows out.

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I'm watching it let see it together 🤠

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Is it just me or is the market over reacting to this. Sure 200billion is a lot of money but in the grand scheme of things it's really a drop in the bucket.

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The fear is the contagion. Where does it all end? Who has exposure?

Look at Lehman. $600 billion and that crashed everything for a few years.

So the $300 billion in debt is not the end of the world but the entire Chinese real estate market taking is. We have no idea what other developers and banks are going to be in trouble too.

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TBH I still don't get why this has such a huge effect on the market

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It sounds like debts are always
problems in the making. Market
loves IOU to generate more transaction
and keep the economy moving for a company.
This hard landing will come eventually.

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Getting in debt and giving out half baked real estate to investors as compensation? On one side, it's thoughtful, however, it's not exactly what they bargained for.

The value of the real estate is dependent on many factors so regardless of if it's incomplete, maybe the land has to be worth something.

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I would sure like to hold my money in a decentralized stablecoin. Let's see how quickly HBD will recover from this.

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You say: "This all started because they wanted to tap the brakes on the overheated housing market. Well, it seems they were slammed", but on the other hand if governments don't intervene in the market and let the real estate bubble burst, the same situation occurs as, for example, in 2008 in Spain. Since whatever you do, the result is a disaster, is the capitalist economy hopeless?

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That is true. Of course, the government helped to create the situation in China by limiting where investment dollars can go. The Chinese do not have a lot of options like in other countries.

In the US for example, we can buy stocks, bonds, commodities, and a host of other assets. With China, it is basically the Chinese stock market and real estate.

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From my point of view, I believe that the Chinese government will choose to protect the foreign investors who involved their money in this Ponzi scheme called Evergrande and will leave the local small and medium capitalists out of any kind of plan to get their money back. Some believe that Evergrande is too big to fail, but I think it has its fate marked like Lehman Brothers in 2008, its debt exceeds absolutely everything we can imagine and will affect not only the Chinese economy but the rest of the world in a much more lethal way than Covid19. Welcome to the collapse of the fiat system.

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The question is whether this is the tip of the iceberg. How much more is out there. This is a huge number for one company but not the only one that took this approach. There are likely dozens of other developers in a similar situation who simply are not exposed as of yet.

Welcome to the collapse of the fiat system.

We were promised this for 30 years. I disagree. If anything you will see the USD get stronger as a result of this.

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I doubt very much that the United States will benefit from this particular crisis in China, especially because of two factors: 1) The tremendous dependence of that country on the Chinese productive apparatus, which produces a large part of the goods consumed by Americans. 2) The gigantic debt product of the eternal dependence on a parasitic financial system that prefers to issue money to distribute it among the population and that these in turn feed the spiral of debts rather than integrate it to the large, small and medium producers within the country.

I know that announcing 'the crash of the fiat system' is as old as those who proclaim the return of Christ, but who can deny that we are already at least in the middle of the process... In any case, as the butterfly effect indicates, a small event at one point can provoke great catastrophes at another. Greetings and I enjoy reading your publications.

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The tremendous dependence of that country on the Chinese productive apparatus, which produces a large part of the goods consumed by Americans.

This is going to be a hit for the US, maybe for two years.

The shift was already taking place. Mexico is the largest trade partner for the US and is going to be the next China. There is little need to mess with China beyond the next 18 months. There needs a lot of construction to take place in Mexico which is already beginning.

China is in a heap of trouble. Even Japan is pulling out and moving more to Vietnam and Laos.

As for the fiat situation, it is going to take place for a long time. People think the USD is going to disappear, I disagree. In fact, since the US is only getting stronger, so will the currency. Plus, even though people moan about the money printing, the reality is that is what gives them all the technology they now utilize.

We are in a massive deflationary cycle. This is only going to enhance the USD, not take away from it.

Other countries that are in worse shape and do not have the technology (everyone other than Japan), is likely screwed.

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I guess the bigger problem would occur to the small depositors who paid money to the Evergrande before even the projects were started. If the Chinese government takes the back door route it would be interesting to see what happens to these small house owners who paid their hard earned tax paid money to this company owned by the businessman Hui Ka Yan. The company owes money to 171 banks and 121 financial institutions. This is in itself an alarming situation.


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That is also a problem. There are many levels to this situation that are going to end up being bad for people.

Time will tell how widespread this becomes.

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I think this will also create the fear in the real estate sector across the world. This company was considered as too big to fail with more than 2700 projects. It was massive and its failure will definitely have gigantic effect on the investments in real estate in Asian countries.


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There is only one solution. American taxpayers must be taxed more heavily to bail out the Chicoms. Taxes are the price you pay to live in a global communist one world regime.

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"bailing out a bunch of bankers like the United States did a decade ago will not sit well with the Chinese population"
Banks in China are largely state-owned, hence they will not fail either way, or let's say the CCP will do anything to not let banks fail. I doubt that the Chinese population would be unhappy about that.
Banks in China are probably not at risk, but the property sector may be.

"This all started because they wanted to tap the brakes on the overheated housing market."
Evergrande has been in trouble for quite a while. The new rules this year have only added to the pressure.

"We know there are a lot of Chinese banks involved."
Some 170, plus some 120 other financial institutions. So, the risk is spread wide & far.

"However, what about those who are outside the country?"
Who cares about foreigners?

Anyway, via CNBC:
"Here are the top funds with the highest exposure to Evergrande bonds, according to Morningstar.

Fidelity Asian High-Yield Fund
UBS (Lux) BS Asian High Yield (USD)
HSBC Global Investment Funds - Asia High Yield Bond XC
Pimco GIS Asia High Yield Bond Fund
Blackrock BGF Asian High Yield Bond Fund
Allianz Dynamic Asian High Yield Bond"

I suppose, they can bear a few billion in losses. Their own fault for investing in China.

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