You need to position yourself | POB Rules
We are seeing a big problem happening in the community, which is causing the price to drop precipitously.
And now the solution that must be thought of is for all users to take a stand. And when I say everyone, it's really everyone, from @onealfa with his 60,000+ POB to the user who has 0 POB, but who believes in the community.
Have a Brain
Until days ago, POB's only rule was have a brain.
I say until days ago, because certain things have changed in the community which brings a huge insecurity about its future.
When the @proofofbrainio account mutated the @azircon user, it set a precedent in the rules, without first consulting the community about their opinion. That is, an act decided solely by a user.
Will POB be governed by the acts of a user to decide what can and cannot be done, without first consulting what the community thinks?
If the episode had happened today, it's okay that it still didn't have any announcements, but it happened a few days ago, and before it was posted openly to the community, there were several discussions on the Discord server.
I am not saying here who is right or who is wrong. I'm wondering why there were changes in the community rules without first notifying its members? Will this attitude be habitual or was it an exception? If it was an exception, will it be reversed and left under review by community members?
Too many questions, no answers. I'm feeling in Brazil and not in POB. Around here they ask A to the president and he answers B, that's when he answers. and the life that goes on, with the currency devaluing, the country's credibility going downhill and polarization increasing.
Do we want this in POB?
Should those with less POB have less say in deciding how the community should proceed? Should you have one vote per account? One vote for every 100 POB staked? What is the criterion? Again the admin leaves us without a north by omitting the problem.
It would be even more honorable if you don't have an answer, go public, show the problem and say you are looking for a solution. The community would be much more confident about the future, and could even propose solutions in the comments.
There are several ways to find a solution, omission is not one of them.
I would like to leave for reading the post by @wiseagent that also questions this problem.
And what are you going to do @vempromundo?
As I curate and read most of the daily posts and some issues that appear in Discord (not everything as it is humanly impossible), I will read in comments and posts solutions that users are bringing and explain them.
I believe that my account has a little more visibility than, for example, someone who has just arrived in the community, and that person will have a wider voice, I will address in posts solutions that appear and I will mark the user to reward him.
A 'constitution' (for anti-states, abstract the word and stick to its essence) will be written and I'm starting this movement, if so far the admin didn't care about it, even people asking for governance for more than 2 months.
Every idea will be absorbed, discussed and 'implemented'. At least for me and for anyone who believes it should be valid.
Enough of authoritarianism.
It's time for everyone to voice our opinions. And don't forget the most important thing. Everything in the blockchain is documented, no one will be fooled by narratives.
And if you don't want to give your opinion, you're free to do that too.
This a nice idea and a proactive action.
There some things that need to be clear and cleared, to all of us, because things without clarity tend to get messy, or messier...
@azircon had been on a downvote campaign for weeks against one of our tribe members. He then stated that he would be taking away all of his POB rewards. He then began to acquire POB for that purpose. Those are the reasons that I muted him. Do you disagree with muting @azircon for those reasons?
LIE
It is impossible to “take” anyone’s rewards
Can you be honest with data about why you're taking steps to downvote a user?
As I said, I'm not here to tell you who is right or wrong. I have a huge fondness for @lucylin, and I'm not happy that this is happening to him.
But it's like I said, what are the rules? Why wasn't @coininstant silenced when he started doing this with various community members? And several members knew he was doing it because it was even a topic of discussion.
What bothers me is the silence. Since there is no place to turn when there is a problem, the oracle we have to guide ourselves to would be you, but what security do we have when the oracle is silent? (oracle here is like figure of speech).
I have not withdrawn any POB from my trusteeship account and do not intend to withdraw any POB because I still believe in you, and I bet all my chips on you. I just feel that many are abandoned.
In my point of view @azircon is not correct, nor is @coininstant correct.
If the new rule is to mutate those with "hostile behavior", let's make this list, I'm not going to oppose the rule, but at least let's be fair and apply to everyone.
I saw recently on Discord that you said you would make a post as soon as possible, I hope you can bring solutions to the community, or at least open it up so that members who are willing to stay in it (and there are not a few) can feel confident about the decisions that are made.
None of us are abandoning POB.
That's exactly what I said. Most of us, I believe 99% want to see POB thrive.
These are great prices too buy. I will buy more .... just need to sell a few Bitcoin.
100% of us want to see POB go to $100.
This isn’t true. I’m new here but if u read the comments it’s clear many are bailing snd taking a wait and see approach
Downvoting is part of the system for people who disagree with rewards distribution. My take on it is to use it only for spam, but there are others that use it to disagree about reward distribution. It should not be seen as an attack. @azircon likely was removing 1 POB from a post he downvoted... hardly a drop in lucy's bucket.
We see too often what happens with Downvote Wars in Hive. It’s a mess.
I think downvoting should only be allowed to a perticular group looking out for plagiarism, abuse, scam etc. It should be used by individuals to settle their personal score. We need a proper mechanism to decide downvoting and abuse of reward pool. Everyone is excited about the POB community, it brought excitement in the community. It should thrive and prosper.
That would be horrible! Only certain people? That goes against everything this was supposed to be about
Fair point
But his other criticisms make some valid points. Can anyone tell me why I shouldn’t be running from buying these tokens until we see how this plays out?
Well... We have seen what happens with downvote Wars on Hive .... if people want to buy a few Million POB with the purpose of downvoting people is this a good thing ? There should be a way to prevent downvote Wars ... no ? I guess if people don’t like Downvotes they can all just go to Blurt I guess ???
What is Blurt?
It was a Fork from Steemit in 2020... it is like Proofofbrain but no Downvotes. Https://Blurtter.com
You can't buy a few million POB. There is likely only a few thousand on the market.
Not all at once. 1 POB an hour.
I be will slowly buy them all.... the lower the price the more I can buy
tag with #pob-discussion
I think the time has passed to change the tags :/
#1 Rule on POB.... Be positive, Be Helpful, Be kind.
Haha. I use to follow this rule when I joined. But lately all the drama made me realize that the world is a shitty place. And POB is behaving like the world rn. 😂
No... Proofofbrain is pretty awesome. It’s people from Hive that ruin everything.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
I Started posting on POB just a week ago, I was amazed and impressed by the potential of the tribe. But past couple of days had been so distressing here. We all are here to grow together as a community, we have to work together and please guys Atleast have a discussion and sort out the differences. Remember this is not just limited to POB it goona effect other tribes as well. Hope The Great community of POB make things work out and make this no 1 tribe. 🙏
You summed it up bro! Just forget about the drama and think of what just happened at the end. This can only mean that one day if I decide to buy stake and downvote someone for XYZ reason, I will be muted, right?
That's how we solve the centralization problem of tribes? I don't think so. I don't want this to happen here or anywhere for that matter. I don't like the downvote approach either but that's the only way to counter abuse and readjust rewards. If a handful of people take all the tokens form the reward pool then why would a new person join in? To see others getting rewards for shitposting?
I think we should have an anonymous vote on whether we should mute him or not. Let's see how many people agree to it. We should also vote on whether lucy's posts are overrewarded or not since it was the start of this whole drama and indirectly the reason why the mute feature was used.
In general, my idea is that we should have decentralized voting before the tribe owner takes such extreme actions. We badly need to work like a fucking DAO.
People are sensible to manipulation, they can be manipulated, but deep inside they will know, and act accordingly. A value of a tribe on Hive is mainly using trust as currency, and once that is gone, they will dissapear into the night. My thoughts.
It's time to rectify a constitution. This may not be fun.
But only one rule : Have a brain
Is not enough.
Let's begin with amendment 1.... "and use it."
It is great that the weak minded Bailers are leaving. Good riddance.
You are damn right!
Amen to that, brother!
I'm going to write extensively about this, because this is a topic that interests me a lot, but there should be SEVERAL "constitutions", as you put it, on POB. Let diversity and the voluntary participation dictate which are the best practices here. To me, @proofofbrainio's role should just be one of upholding what is the bare minimum tolerable and destroying those who post what is universally abhorrent, like child pornography, torture and etc... EVERYTHING else, should be decided by each sub-tribe and organized according to them. There is no "one rules fits all". We have to develop different cultures and let different groups/ideias/rules develop on their on inside the universe o POB. That's the ONLY way we will ever reach the million user mark. Fantasizing that a million user group under one dictatorial rule is going to be as rich and creative as POB is crazy, that would only create another Facebook and, if that's the case, I'M OUT!
Thank you @vempromundo. This is a very valuable post. I love POB and want to be here for the long term. That said, who wants to live in a totalitarian regime.
Let's make love, not war.
It's difficult to not be fooled by narratives. Yes, everything on the blockchain is accessible. Not everything on the blockchain is easily accessible. You need special tools to measure this or that, but also, you need patience. Titanic patience. Getting all the information from this event is taxing for 5 days let alone for 3 months. I only want the narrative. When did this start? Why did this keep happening?
Good, dude. Curious to know more about this plans.
hello @vempromundo, this initiative and the view that all users have rights, both those with more POB and those with 0 POB in their wallet, is a great way to think like a leader. Decisions cannot be made lightly, although there are no rules and it is time for rules to exist, well let us create, support and consult. But mainly, in addition to the administrator, there must be representatives, because at the time of discussions, not everyone can have the right to speak. and it will be a total disaster. and an agreement will never be reached. Not everyone can agree with the point of view of another person, but if there are representatives among all of them they can make a decision, always looking for the growth of the community, let's raise our commitment, I continue to believe in this community although its price is the lowest, if we come together as a community, that price can only be temporary.
I joined POB pretty early and even though I don’t post often I have been reading posts and curating. I also have been waiting on what the POB governance will be. I believe for the community to thrive we need the community involved in the governance. I like the idea of each 100 POB equals one vote and to add governance by stake holders.