RE: Shame on Azircon and co. for DV this. My Latest Investments: Splinterlands, Rising Star, Leo, HOT
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I would say... that someone like this, when they have cooled off and gotten perspective, wouldn’t need to plagiarize cheap posts... look at how well collected and constructed this response is from Regenerette... something isn’t adding up and I wonder why that is?
@GuiltyParties have you actually done a verification of Regenerette’s website/email?
This girl can articulate... why would she need to rip something off to profit on Hive?
She’s saying you didn’t verify and that she’s still blacklisted as a consequence... not to mention the social implications...
I would very much like some sort of confirmation here.
Thank you Reese!
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What would your "fix" be to a problem like this? Since it has gone on for months now?? :)
Hi @cwow2,
You are quite right. This particular issue (and many others like it) has been going on quite long enough...
In answer to your question:
These sorts of issues need to fall on the collective minds of the whole blockchain in order to avoid all the human derived problems that stem from this method of implementing Hive integrity.
Isn’t that what blockchain is supposed to be innovating? Consensus? Then why aren’t problems like these being dealt with within an actually predefined process that utilizes DPOS therefore mitigating high levels of stress to the community and the devaluation of the Hive Tokens price. (Yes. I would argue that this is indeed effecting our bottom dollar let alone the social health of the digital environment)
This is a governance problem... and so we need to be dealing with it appropriately.
The trust of our blockchain is at stake and this isn’t happening privately... it’s happening on the public stage and the whole crypto community is watching to see what and how we innovate next.
Relying to heavily on a crack troop of enforcement humans isn’t going to yield a friendly marketable solution. It’s going to do what it’s always done since human history began... get messy.
So again I say... this is a problem for the entire community to solve. And that’s the best thing about Hive. It’s got DPOS. Why not make use of this utility at the base level to solve this problem?
If we don’t take it seriously now... it’s only going to get worse as we attempt to scale and market Hive out to the wider population.
We can only contract so long... eventually we need to take a breath!
For more about what I’m thinking might work in regards to the DV’s implementation...
Here’s a link to @theycallmedan’s post a couple months ago.
My thoughts about DV’ing can be found near the top of the comments. 👇
https://ecency.com/hive/@theycallmedan/a-bit-of-a-rant
Thanks for inquiring my friend. Your curiosity and willingness to ask mean a lot to me.
@wil.metcalfe
I don't think this is bad idea. But we already have something similar via HW before spaminator is doing anything.
Even though we can downvote before the flag is in.
Who would look at all the daily post submitted?
We could also implement a random draw that would potentially assign flagged decisions to people. If accepted those people might be able to earn some sort of reputation token as a way of tracking those who care the most about Hive's integrity.
Just like those who vote for Witness's... these would people be signaling that they actually care about their social environment and that of their fellow Hivelanders.
People willing to take on these tasks as they are randomly assigned (opportunities) would then be improving their social standing by being active at this capacity.
This also opens the field for everyone who cares about Hive and systematizes it at the base layer thereby removing much of the human lead controversy around the current closed and offchain system. I say closed because a Discord task force is NOT what people signed up for when they joined Hive (They signed up for the marvels of DPOS and it's utility.) and nor is it what I believe people actually want for the blockchain.
Let's be honest...
Can you see the current methods being used working in 5, 10, 15, 20 years from now?
NO!
Somethings gotta change...
And that all starts with being honest with where we are currently at with our social innovation, thinking bigger, and thinking outside the box.
I just dont think the outcome would change much.
If you plagiarsm, you shouldn't earn from stolen content x)
Right??
You are just adding an extra layer of hardship.
If its less people than in the HW discord, then we are screwed since we can have a hard time keeping up with things because we have lifed outside of hive.
Getting more involved would be awesome via your purposal.
But wouldn't the outcome be the same?
I’ve been having a bit of a conversation with @antisocialist about the intricacies of what I think would work better and at scale.
I would include a link to that conversation however I am working from my phone via the Ecency app and I’m not sure how to link to those comments.
Regardless... if your interested please give those comments a read as i have done my best to pare away the issues I believe we are facing on this blockchain and go into more detail about how Hive Integrity could be done... I also talk about what’s at stake if we don’t evolve our processes.
I really do think that there is a better way and I think I have done a good job of explaining things to him... although I do admit... I was pretty frustrated (at the time) with the lack of listening and even some rudeness during that conversation (and some previous) I do believe something productive came of it.
And so again... I hope that you will take the time to also read over that conversation as I think that it adds to this one.
Ok!
In answering your questions...
There is a difference in making this fundamental to the blockchains protocol and how Hive integrity is currently being implemented. Loyalty, buy in, and commitment will always scale with the Hive Blockchain over some 3rd party entity saying it has our (the owners) best interests in mind.
Right now the Hive Watchers group as a small one. (A 3 man crew with a crowd of spectators watching and jumping in every now and then.) If, however, we were to recruit every single active account on Hive we would have a chance to turn each and every one into an owner... (or at least we would be able to differentiate the owners at an active level.)
How? By giving them a chance to be a part of the solution. By showing them why Hive Integrity matters... but by doing that through a process that makes sense and gives them a sense of contribution. Seeing this work will give people confidence making the Hive community grow strong day by day and establishing new and more wholesome social norms.
The outcome isn’t the same (in doing it this way) because it’s a collective effort by the whole community rather than a small group operating without set and defined methods and mandates. It’s the community deciding on important issues through the use of DPOS our main innovation.
That is how we democratize Hives integrity and build up our brand around the valuation of content and community thereby preserving the marketability of the blockchain.
Seeing the utilization of DPOS in play rather than becoming a burden it will re-energize the blockchain and work to catalyze those sitting on the fence about joining (or telling people about) Hive.
So although I completely understand your initial thoughts... (these were mine at first as well when I was initially grappling with the problem in the beginning) I am confident that this would have really good outcomes for Hive as a technological innovation, it’s community of bright forward thinking minds, and those ideas (and enterprises) that would then find the stability to flourish in a user-friendly social environment.
I believe that the Hive price would then respond appropriately as that is what the Hive Token does best... translates social capital on the blockchain and translates it directly into a financial capital that can then be bough or sold in accordance with the social valuation that is perceived.
So, build it.
That isn’t my mission. (At least not directly) My mission is to champion this version of a friendlier Hive Blockchain. My method is to continue to vote my values and influence actively wherever I can and by working to support the witness’s and devs who have similar values and have the same vision for Hive as I do.
The way to build it therefore is collective as this is a collective movement and a wider one throughout the Hive Blockchain.
If this is to be the destination where people can take their potential and compound it... this will resonate with most and the right people will realize it. It’s only a matter of time. Common sense (although rare in times like these) leads to more and more common sense.
I believe in this community... and I believe that the best ideas will naturally rise to prominence.
I’m merely intent on being a catalyst to this end... as you know already my main goal is to build out 2 fitness business’s on the blockchain... once the social environment improves.
Well, carry on, sir.
It sounds like a good plan.
I will answer tomorrow buddy! Its late here
Wil, read what you just said. We're not going to treat someone who's articulate better than someone who struggles with a translator or trust them more. There are a lot of issues with the account and we've been through it with them many times. This individual can keep posting and doing whatever they're doing. They can make a community, a token, a game, anything they want. The blacklist doesn't stop them from interacting with the chain.