How The 'Play To Earn' Brand Might Be Hurting Splinterlands

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We're so early to this blockchain gaming thing...

I come from the old 'Call of Duty' gamer background that never in a million years, did I think I would be rewarded monetarily for my effort in said game. I played it, because I loved it. And built some amazing friendships with guys that I have to this day.

But being 'paid' to play Call of Duty...Was never in the cards.

Speaking of cards....

Here comes Splinterlands!

One of the 'O.G.'s' of this brand new thing called...Play To Earn. Or Play 2 Earn...Or whatever it's called lol. The general idea is that, you start owning assets in a game and are rewarded for playing the game.

Personally I think this brand does a disservice to Splinterlands because of what I'm about to share, right or wrong...This is the experience from every day players and results from 'playing...To earn'.

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These are my daily rewards today from doing the daily quest. It was recently announced that there are major changes coming to the way these daily rewards are distributed, and should encourage more activity across the community.

But let's see why some people...Might not believe that to be the case.

I spent 750 DEC to get my extra 5 chests today, and am in the 'Gold 2' division.

I have about 2.7 million collection power, mostly because I got in at the right time in this game but for newer players jumping in...Without a sizeable investment in their cards, they won't be expecting massive returns right now.

In the future? Who knows, if you believe in the game like I do...You are thinking years down the road. But everyday people may not feel that way...

So anyways, I earned about $0.36 worth of cards, a few potions, and 13 DEC which currently is worth about a penny.

Remember I also spent about 80 cents or so to get those 750 DEC needed for the extra potions...So today, in my daily quest, I actually lost money.

Again, for someone like myself...I don't care. Because I think the bigger 'pay day' will be in a few years from now. But you can see how this doesn't really translate into 'Play 2 Earn' at all...

I then read this post on my friend's Facebook wall. This guy has spent the better part of 7 months playing the game, investing a few bucks in to it but just reading this....You can feel the frustration:

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This sucks...Because this guy was a passionate creator in the Splintertalk platform and was awesome to watch as he grew in his knowledge of the game.

But can you see his concerns?

To people looking at this as a Play To Earn game...It just falls short of that description. And while it's true, some of the larger accounts will smile all the way to the bank, for games to truly become adopted by every day people it needs to cater to....Every day people. And not just the elite that have the big banks.

And no I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with Splinterlands as a whole. I love the game. It's actually one of the only investments I've ever made in my life that's actually translated into a win for me lol But that's what most people might not understand...

There is an investment, not only in TIME but also in developing your assets in this game.

For newer players, that might just be more than they are willing to do....To play a game.

What's the solution?

I think the brand of 'play to earn' may hurt more than it helps. Because when you say..Play to earn, no one thinks....

Play to earn....(only if you have a sizeable account and have invested time and money into this game)

Again, this game is amazing. I love it, and it's something I truly believe in....

However maybe it's time, for Splinterlands to re-brand itself into something more attractive for the masses. And if anyone can do it, this game can...Heck, it's the pioneer of all these blockchain games so why the heck not ;)

What are your thoughts on...The play to earn brand?



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You have that contagious passion mixed with charisma that makes you such a great community leader.

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I feel your friend's facebook post. I don't play to much anymore ranked battles. I mostly just play my guild's Brawl's. I think the play 2 earn moniker has hurt as just the term play 2 earn is now lumped into "being a scam". There is a lot of hate out there for anything NFT. And these games are getting lumped into that I feel.

I love the game, but I really don't like playing it much more. Your friend's criticisms are legit IMO. I struggle at Bronze and have been playing for awhile now. With the power creep of the new Chaos Legion set, all of my previous strategies no longer work and having to learn the new cards strengths/weaknesses is frustrating. And don't get me started about bots.

Honestly, I think pitching the game as play 2 earn helped in the beginning. But now it's hurting the game. As it's attracted "players"(I say that loosely) just looking to extract value from the game as opposed to actual skill and competition. More thought is going into rental strategies and ROI on those rentals. I even see that in my guild's discord convos.

The game is good. I just want to play other people. Brag on your wins, talk a little trash, catch it from your friends when you lose , have some fun. When it's becoming a business and in some cases a livelihood, the stakes are raised and it's no longer a game. Maybe that's why I just do brawls.

Yeah, I think play 2 earn is becoming poison. It's over promising and under delivering. I may be wrong, but that's how I feel.

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That's a great point...Especially if the game wants to become a focal point of different streaming platforms...The competition must be front and center. Not the extraction of value.

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I don't play as much anymore and I honestly prefer the rental market. I did some comparisons of what I was earning over the past and the rewards we are getting now are worth a lot less. There are just way too many people I see now that complain that they can't get DEC or rewards. So I also feel it's a bit overpromising and under-delivering.

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That guy does have a point. What makes this huge gap between the players is the NFTs and how to acquire them. A perfect play-to-earn game would be something where the amount or rarity correlates to how much time and effort are put into the game. Not money. This is, of course, impossible cos eventually those who put in an effort become whales themselves and that's how it goes.

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Time invested...Is still an investment. I think this is VERY important for developers to remember.

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"Play to Earn" is an over-hyped term that makes people expect to get value for free, just by investing their time. Few games are actually offering this. Those which do often end up in economic troubles because their game assets are quickly devalued as more and more players (and bots!) are dumping their rewards for their share of "Play to Earn".

Splinterlands itself is not even using this term anymore. "Pay to Earn" would be more appropriate but sounds boring and lame and also kind of misses the bigger picture.

Maybe something like "Play to Own" would be better, as it highlights the benefits over the legacy gaming industry where you don't own your games, items and achievements. Whether you are earning with this or not is secondary and different from game to game.

Personally, I see myself as a collector first (own). Splinterlands assets are very rare and cards are even hyper-deflational. I don't even play the actual game myself for two years and yet I am spending hours each day in front of it, managing it (work) and having fun (play) while doing so. I am playing a different game within the same game. And I know that my value is being protected by the blockchain as well as by the developers, who know better than most in this industry how their implemented economics will over time elevate this entire Splinterverse. I did this long before there was any significant value in playing or renting (although admittedly I did expect that value will come over time).

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Thanks for stopping by man!

Yeah I love that angle...Play to own is a much better way to frame the Splinterlands experience. And like you said, it's always been their mission to put ownership of the assets into people's hands!

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How dont ppl make money on this I havent played since I I sold my old deck for about 40K I bootstrapped it last year. Now I have plowed that into SPS right now 250K and 3.6 million SPT and going to get 1 million and 20 million so I have some real infuence. Also if you are serious and have the skills to make my investment club better and also improve the game and HIVE I will give you 1750 of equity all you need to do is complete 1K in bank bonus referrals after we talk bc I need to talk to anyone I work with on phone or video chat. Just dont want to wrk with strangers.

The overall Idea is basically to fund a entire club with equity by sticking it to the major banks and use there promos to close round 1 at 200K then round two will be 2000 per person in bonuses or 4K and they keep 3000 and that is the last equity round. Next we will take debt instead so the original unit holders can reap benefits. The fund will never be completely closed as I will constantly be funding ppl with a feeder fund with smaller amounts and anyone who is foreign I need to figure out something so you get benefits but the rules are so bad and penalties for not complying even unkowingly are horrible so one way as I thought of having a hub person in those countries where they are a leader in the community and just happen to live there be the LLC GP in that country and will be compensated exactly as GPS are here. A new LLC I will form in the Cayman Islands will control 51% until we push it into a DAO bc my real goal is to make basically a retirement vehicle for splinterlands players and other affiliated guilds and games and make sure I take care of the community that changed my life. I would still be a CPA slaving away at shit I have just to get what 100K a year when you realize that is 50K after expenses then you pay for cars and other shit your left with nothing pretty much so I thought well if some of the best paying salaries cant get me there wtf am I doing why not just take the resources I have and am getting as well from prior investments (went on a investing spree and now many are paying off 2-100X lol) shove it into this club and do something cool with it. I want splinterlands to have a apartment complex. Plaster blockchain fetures all over it make it a place where crypto ppl want to live plus make it the most profitable and extremely affordable by using staking and mining to offset like fuck security depopsits instead take that money and invest in the fund for the complex which each one will be a division of the overall club and work in a similar way to grow assets and cash flow so eventually all investors in the complex even outside investors are making shit loads and the ppls lives get better inside the complex as well and eventually become free and possibly.

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How dont ppl make money on this I havent played since I I sold my old deck for about 40K I bootstrapped it last year.

Very impressive, I should have done the same. Instead I sat on all my stuff the entire time.

Now I have plowed that into SPS right now 250K and 3.6 million SPT and going to get 1 million and 20 million so I have some real infuence.

I believe that was a good choice with SPS. No idea about SPT but as a fellow whale and Splinterlands-believer I salute you. With 20 million SPT you will not just have some influence, you will be 4x larger than the largest stakeholder. The only force larger than you would be Splinterlands holdings and the combined delegated power on @monster-curator, which I am managing.

May I ask what your intentions for SPT are?

Also if you are serious and have the skills to make my investment club better and also improve the game and HIVE I will give you 1750 of equity all you need to do is complete 1K in bank bonus referrals after we talk bc I need to talk to anyone I work with on phone or video chat. Just dont want to wrk with strangers.

I have literally no idea what any of that means.

The overall Idea is [...]

Maybe you are confusing me with somebody else. But none of that sounds like something I want my name to be associated with, even if I would have the capital - which I don't.

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Sorry did not see it. Most ppl have not clue bc not many ppl do it. I make a good portion of income by just opening bank accounts to get the sign up bonuses and when you theoretically use my referral link to open a account to get say 500 bucks deposited in it after you deposit 1K for 2 months I also get 500 meaning the investment fund got 1000 added to it and one more and it funds yours and the GP interests. Its basically going to be a hedge fund and invest in blockchain games, start ups, private real estate and other cash flowing assets. Its nothing bad or wrong I just found a way to make a equity fund free and many ppl don't believe me the only thing you need to do to get cash flow for your pro rata amount is spend a couple hours doing as many bonus referrals as you want. Originally I pitched it as just direct contributions but ppl said a grand was to much so I said 100 that was still to much so I thought about what I do to make about 100K with bank bonuses per year and thought hey why dont I organize my links so ppl can get in without using money thy didnt have. It really is exactly as it sounds a investment fund where everyone pitchs ideas, concepts and votes on the moves we make. Basically a member ran hedge fund but not big. Not sure why you wouldnt want your name near it my end goal is to provides it on a large scale by purchasing a apartment building or buildings and seting up staking as a service and nodes to generate heat and that qualifies for a tax credit plus there are about 40% more so it would be a hybrid crypto, traditional, and alternative asset fund and there would be checks like a multi sig wallet. Online financials updated weekly. The goal is to get a group of smart ppl to make money. My other LLC is on auto pilot and is worth 6X from 3 years ago the real estate I bought returned a IIR of 40% and did really well. Just simply think of it as a club where anything thsat produces cash flow and will also help ppl like the rental that will be at no cost in 1-2 years. We will also educate tenants on how to use the bank bonus site encages they need money for rent. It is not something many do but I make about 300 a hour doing it 5X more than my other job and the fund is just something to but as many assets as possible and make the banks pay for it all and each year you nonrepeat The goal is cash flow and giving equity to get the cash flow for free by completing quick referrals I have nothing to do with creating your bank referrals. The way it will be set up is by having a master account and a a acount you would make or use to delegate say SPT to equal to 1000 and if you were the first person I would tke 750 of my thousand and add it to you to increase your return. So its pretty much a cash flow gift horse

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My intentions are to give SPT another use by adding it to my visa for sps i am working on securing

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I now it sounds odd at first but just think about it there are about 500-600 bonuses between banks brokers fintech crypto etc and they can with 900 ppl get a 1.8 million dollar cash machine going

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The visa also has defi and is used to collect distributions to be spent be each member and give everyone what they want a card for SPS DEC and SPT plus replace the banker nft with only a waka card so there is more use out of that

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If you want to chat may be easier to explain. dm me and we can get on a video call and I will walk you though it three is nothing that is bad or ill intentioned probably the opposite,

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See my comments below its litterally a investment club everyone votes but the interest are paid for by something I learned to do with banks and make about 100K a year with my self. I am not sure why you wouldn't want to be associated with eventually air dropping interests to the whole splinter lands community and giving everyone cash flow from it as well as a ambitious goal of a free apartment complex for gamers.

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Play to earn is general a time sink. Payouts are in the penny's per hour range.
I am looking forward to the new reward payouts to see if those that invest time will get more value out of the game.
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I understand the frustration, but with anything in life, you also need to invest some money and time into things. Something doesn't come from nothing (unless you believe in evolution).

However, I'm struggling to get started in P2E as I want to have fun playing as Priority 1 and earning will be second or I wont stick at it.

Im also from the COD days and now Fortnite. Those can be also be play 2 earn on the blockchain. You just gotta be creative IMO. How about starting some streaming? Producing some content. Creating a hive layer 2 token for COD or Fortnite etc..

We're Hive, we've got this!!

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That's why something like PsyberX is such an attractive project. FPS in this kind of environment!!

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Anyone realize that my project will literally take no time and its ment to make monrey for ppl to play the game ofr what ever they want to do. I just have not clue why ppl put down a Idea that literaly can fund ppl who dont live in places where money is not a problem. They play to earn and still have fun. Fun is sometimes earning to. Your fund is not everyones

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Yeah, it's my impression Splinterlands is trying to detach itself from this 'play2earn' tag. I heard one of the marketing guys from them (I believe), in one of the previous town halls trying to coin "play AND earn" instead. Personally, I don't like the 'play2earn' tag and I don't think it represents Splinterlands. It induces the idea that the way to earn is by playing (as much as possible), which for best earners from the Splinterlands ecosystem is probably the least lucrative way to earn.

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Very true.

Yeah the tag does a lot of harm because like you mentioned, that just doesn't represent the game now.

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Games ought to have primarily intrinsic fun--that is what a game is. Earnings should be just a bonus (although it is great when the winnings are big.) Yodin

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I think some people think that "Play to Earn" is "Get Rich Quickly" from playing games. Too many people think they can make a lot of money from gaming when they first start. This is never the case. Even in the Esports world off blockchain, the "Play to Earn" pros have put thousands of hours into playing before they enter those tournaments that pay the big money. People think that investing time and/or investing money into a game should be enough and let you earn a living playing games. There is a whole lot more to it than that. Let's say that the same person was lucky enough to have won the Gold Foil "Yodin" which is now on the market for $12,000. Would they win enough to make a living playing the game? I think not. "Play to Earn" does not mean "Make Tons of Cash". This is my opinion. LOL

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Speaking from someone who recently sold a GF Yodin lol It isn't going to pay the bills for long lol

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Soon, it will the popular term "play-to-earn" will evolve into many sub categories, giving more clarity for different play style of the crypto games. Some will be move-to-earn, own-to-earn etc. I believe splinterlands will be play-to-own-to-earn.

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I love the 'play to own' idea..That just makes sense here!

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Same thing your playing to own more assets which is really how income should be measured net worth not salary and thats when you know you have enough money when you dont look at income like my income is probably lower but my new worth is always greinding up whiule I have fun and am trying to do a good thing and create basiically a retirement account for ppl on Hive.

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Perhaps, "play to invest" is a more appropriate brand. 😄 I actually have the same feeling for the last four seasons more or less. I am not mentioning it directly in my Splinterlands' posts for somehow the rewards in participating in weekly posting challenges compensate for the reduction in in-game incentives.

Yes, there was a big change really since I started last August. Bronze then was more profitable than Silver III now. At first, I just took it for granted. Before, the rewards can pay more than the rental fee. Now, little by little and season by season, the DEC collection of the three Bronze accounts of my family is gradually diminishing and that's the reason why I play less. As for my Silver III account, no problem with small incentives.

I don't remember winning over Yodin. 😆

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I haven't been paying attention...But I think the rental markets have really suffered becaue of this as well?

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A investment lub was supposed to help reward ppl to keep them here and have enough cash to play and I can play and crate a type of investment that has not existed as far as i know

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I think you should play the game, any game because you enjoy it not because you are getting paid.

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I do I played when it was first out and realized zI could make money to. Not sure why ppl wouldnt want to get cash flow as well

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I am also invested in the company and the DAO and why wouldnt you make money and love the game to

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do enjoy it I was playing in 2018 and invested in the game to and the investors monety is the reason the game esists to if no one beleived in it back then yo uwouldnt be playing. Why is playing for fund and money bad. I make more here than I did as a CPA lol. And I made some good choices so I dont need to work anymore and I genuinly have fund making money in things that ppl think is ridicuouls and wont work

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I just dont understand why forming a club that literally is free is a bad thing and it will provide monet to have players afford better decks

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I think there is a pretty big barrier to entry on Splinterlands vs other Hive based games. Like you said, you have to have really good cards and the learning curve is pretty steep. If you can't or don't want to invest alot of time into it and don't have alot of money to put in it's going to be difficult to make any progress or ROI.
I know that is why I have just stuck to the passive side of it.
I have one card I am renting out and a few packs that are unopened. It's just too hard to get my head around it beyond that.
But that's just my opinion. And I don't mean to sound like I am hating on it.
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Yeah, if you have deep pockets, this can become a great income generator...but if you don't, oh boy lol

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It's a bit more of a challenge then. My assets are allocated and prioritized in other areas. It is fun seeing what other people are doing on their Splinterlands journeys though. 😀 Happy Wednesday!
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I am trying to fix that I can help ppl get deep pockets in here not very hard and once I explain it to some ppl on a call or something its hard to do it in text but some smarty ppl will connect the dots as to how I no longer need to work despite my 50-70 K I make from this.

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PPL will delegate for a percentage so you could get your hands on the cards if you want to I started playin with the cards they prtovided and grew to a huge deck and made a lot with it to had a blast and now itjust isd better bc something fun makes a siginficant amount of moeny and what non w2 thing would money not need to be risked a b bit if you want to gain anything.

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Want to join forces in a investment club to make that less of a problem? I am buying up a lot of tokens and influence to do such a thing and my ultimate goal may seem wild that the players will be owning a apartment builing but not really that far off if ppl think about it. I probaly have 450K in the game including appreciation of my equity. I put in maybe 50K of my money. most earned in the beging from grinding 10 hrs a day on the weekends. Ive been there now I make a full time income and I have barely gotten started. Ill be at Splinterfest if anyone wants to chat to I would love to meet ppl in person see if we can make a cool club and take it to the next level which to me is 10 million for the club. We can get it I am prepared to put all my votes to this really give it a boost and I will be buying assets each week either in the stock market, digital asset market at first then will be moving to NFTs backed by them sort of a feeder into various assets like validators for ppl who want to own them but dont have 3k buy 1 or 30K for 10. I can make that happen pretty soon getting a goopd influx of cash maybe a quarter million I want to put half into this and making it happen.

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I think if that is what you are playing games for is the play to earn you will always be dissapointed and a little short changed.

Any gambling and that is what play to earn is, if you have to make an inital investment for the possiblity of earning more in a game, it is gambling the only people that truely win are the house.

Professional gamers buy games, play them for awhile then move on with the hope they have earned more than they spent on any particular game.

Will be completely honest i think it is all pay to play.

Time, money or both it is all the same at the end of the day someone has to pay somewhere. 😎

If you get personal value whatever that maybe, should be all that matters in my humble opinion.

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Thanks for sharing sir!

Yeah, time invested is HUGE. And the more that is treated with respect, the better.

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Wrong I played from the start and love the game and want to make mnoney I have a blast. I found a way to literally help ppl fund there accounts and ppl find a way to make it into a bad thing amazinbg

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I think play to earn is making people have the expectations that they will get rich. There is a visible difference in the rewards I get now compared to what I was getting a year ago when Splinterlands was under the radar. It's something I have seen a lot of people in the gaming community (not blockchain) have voiced and it's because the purpose isn't to have fun anymore.

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Message me on facebook, Brian Carolan I could care less who knows who I am lol call me just DM for my number or dm me yours we can set something up.

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Message me on facebook, Brian Carolan I could care less who knows who I am lol call me just DM for my number or dm me yours we can set something up.

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Message me on facebook, Brian Carolan I could care less who knows who I am lol call me just DM for my number or dm me yours we can set something up.

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