Proof of Brain - All ideas start somewhere (DCC Tribe Token Talk)

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It's been a busy week for me so I'm going to sneak this one in with only a few hours to spare...

@clixmoney has been very generous in his sponsorship and highlighting of communities and tribes within Hive and this week he has chosen to shine a light on Proof of Brain Community, my favourite community and the one I call "home" here on the blockchain.

I would like to invite @diebitch, @alekst7 and @erh.germany to enter the contest and have tagged them in the original contest post.

What do you think about Proof of Brain tribe?

Proof of Brain tribe is the one that welcomed me with open arms when I first joined Hive. The sense of community support and friendship is felt wherever you go and the engagement is second to none! This is a true strength of the community. No matter where I curate on a daily basis, I will come across members helping each other out, providing guidance on posts, engaging in intellectually stimulating discussions, writing incredibly creative pieces in the form of short stories, poems, discursive articles. The comments section in Proof of Brain is usually as good as the original posts. There is a genuine desire across the community to grow the tribe and the token and maintain high standards of publication, curation and stamp out issues like plagiarism. The tribe leaders are very active in developing the front end, discussing and deciding on new proposals to improve the community, and helping those of lower-ranking to gain a footing and progress.

What POB needs to start growing in the price?

POB needs the community to start investing more in the token by staking and not selling as it is earned. There potentially needs to be improved staking incentives to promote this behaviour. We need to attract more new Hivers to the community and educate them upfront on the value of holding the token, engaging with others across the platform to share out the rewards more evenly.

Who are the best creators and curators there?

Wow! this is a hard question. Some of the best creators that I have come across...and honestly, I could have picked dozens of handfuls of different people but the ones that come to mind immediately and whose publications genuinely draw me in are people like @calumam, @scholaris / @scholaris.pob, @nonsowrites / @nonsowrites.pob, @onealfa / @onealfa.pob, @trostparadox / @trostparadox.pob, @dreemsteem, @mineopoly, @melbourneswest, @khaleesii, @litguru, @alekst7, @diebitch, @wrestlingdesires, @chincoculbert. If I haven't mentioned you, chances are I still love you lol but I have to stop somewhere or this list would go on forever!

The same people could just as easily be amongst the best curators for spreading their votes around the community. In addition to this @proofofbrainio, @richardcrill, @themarkymark also spread their votes around the community as fairly as possible.

In terms of curation with comments, well the most prolific/engaging curators in this category from my experience are @scholaris / @scholaris.pob, @dreemsteem, and the entire @dreemport crew (way too many people to mention), @mineopoly, @vikbuddy, @litguru, @alekst7, @wrestlingdesires, @chincoculbert, @erh.germany, @wil.metcalfe.

How POB could help hive blockchain?

By remaining true to its ethos of requiring proof of brain to create and publish articles and by its leaders keeping a strong guiding hand on the community to keep the token price in check and promote the behaviour of holding tokens for growth and prosperity of the community and the Hive as a whole. By creating new proposals that protect our community from external hacking, improving the front end, improving stability. These things will attract more authors to Proof of Brain and if we make our communities strong, we make the entire ecosystem strong.

How do you see the future of POB?

The future is not ours to know but if the community continues to pull together and provide the strength of spirit, supportive guidance, and friendship to each other that we are all accustomed to, we can only do well. We need to trust that we will not see the emergence of any new whales who may be intent on manipulating pricing for their own benefit, and we need to educate new Proof of Brain members to hold their tokens and allow the token to grow in strength and value.

How can you be successful here?

Engagement, engagement, engagement. You cannot succeed in a community without being part of that community. So it is critical that you be as much a curator in the community as you are an author. Start meaningful conversations with other authors on their posts and with other curators. You will find so much joy in curation if you give it a chance. It is extremely rewarding. Be true to yourself, write for yourself about what interests you, about your passions, about what intrigues you and stop worrying about what your audience might want you to do. Be authentic because we all love authenticity. Write regularly using your brain. Write creatively, intelligently, with passion. Every idea, every journey started somewhere and there is no reason that your creativity, your ideas and your Proof of Brain Journey can't be something beautiful and joyful for both you and those around you.



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Cannot agree more on that - engagement is the key.

I just spoke to someone today that wondered why they don't do well on hive. and I kid you not - this was his response ...

"I'm not movitated to write posts, and I really don't feel like participating with others on their posts."

pause for laughter

I'm not kidding. I felt like saying ... then.... I'm sorry- WHAT do you think Hive is all about??? LOL It just makes me shake my head that people expect to do well, when they don't want to make connections.

When you look at even the people who have made it BIG in the WORLD - not even Hive - just, we're talking about businesspeople, writers, singers, entertainers, fill in the blank - the thing that connects them all is... THEY DIDN'T STOP.

so why are we in a world where people think they can drop one well-written post, and then expect everyone to come running to drop votes? LOL

there are lots of good writers - great writers - amazing artists... NO ONE SEES THEM unless they are doing the consistent work of putting themselves out there and CONNECTING to others to support them and build community.

hahahaha sorry for the rant - but its just not the first person that has said something like this in the last week to me. and its frustrating for them to look at other accounts and say "well I can do that - but I won't get the same payout"

because they're NOT doing that.

They are not doing all the work behind the scenes that goes into success here - or anywhere else. They are expecting people to come to them - instead of being willing to go to others FIRST and support THEM.

Your post just hits the nail on the head. And I see a LOT of people you mentioned above (and thanks for including me) who are willing to do the work. day in , day out - to not only make themselves successful - but to lift others, community and the platform to be a success too.

and you my dear - should count yourself as one of them!!!

I'm so happy to know you - and I'm so thrilled beyond belief that you have become such a strong, important, HARD-WORKING, non-stop engaging member of the dreemport team. i love you dearly - and hope this is just the beginning of more and more wins for us all :)

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Have you ever written a short comment?

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yes :)

😁👆

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Hahaha! 😆 Atta girl Dreems! 🙌

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ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL i just got on a rant LOLOLOL

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Well I love it! It’s bang bang on!

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It certainly is :) When will we be seeing some comets in the sky above Hive again???

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Hahahhahahaa @wil.metcalfe was just telling me that you were asking about that shining comet!!!! And yep!!! He was right hehehhee

I'm sure Wil has something cooking up his sleeve hahahaha...he always does!

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Every week there are comets streaking towards Hive’s content and impacting the comments section of peoples content.

As for special events… @dreemsteem is indeed correct. Something is cooking…🙂

And it doesn’t matter how many people try to sit on my throat… I’m still here and I’m still very interested in the freedom and insight engagement can and does bring… especially on Hive.

My only thought… will my reputation score handle the malicious downvoting I am receiving?

And will the Hive Community continue to be alright with this methodology and the mindsets behind it?

We need a flexible and adaptable Hive blockchain if we are to succeed…

Static minds simply won’t get us there.

Open authentic and questioning one’s… one’s that value every human voice for it’s worth… this is how the future is innovated.

But yes…

I’m here.

And soon the night sky is going to lightUP again!

Stay posted and don’t forget to check out the posts that @Comet.Ranker is impacting! ☄️

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You mean they're still at it 😪? I hope that is resolved soon :(

I'm looking forward to seeing what you have cooking for the future ☄️☄️☄️

!PIZZA !ALIVE

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Yup. Still on going. Not acceptable.

But yes! I’ll be announcing something exciting early next week! ☄️

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I can't wait :) This is going to be ideal to get a friend involved who mostly loves to comment. She has a few posts, but doesn't seem to be posting daily...

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What's with the short jokes? How did you know?


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The size of the brain is not as important as how you use. You know what they say about guys with big feet?

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lol? Someone wants to NOT write posts or comments, and still get paid? Exactly what are we supposed to hit the upvote button on? The profile page 🤣?

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I just busted up laughing so hard!!!!!!

Right?!?! I was like....wait...huh?!??

Hahahahahhahahahahaha or maybe we are supposed to go back and find old posts and just shower with tips. Hahahahahahhahaha

Ahhhhh.. sometimes (all the time) people make me wonder 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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lol, I'm not sure what they expect? Maybe try directing them to a few faucets 😂

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i just shake my head and keep doing what i'm doing. LOLOL

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I'm honored to have been mentioned amongst such legends ❤️ You have touched on some great points. Another that I feel strongly about is a usecase which seems more "active". Not everyone will want to curate on Hive, and even those who do won't always be able to put all of their votes in POB.

!PIZZA !ALIVE

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We love your stories.

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Thanks so much ❤️ I just posted another one - a bedtime story 😂

!PIZZA !ALIVE

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Thank you for sharing,

I will check it out. It is about bed time in Korea.


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Definitely don't share it with your kids though - especially at bedtime, if you like sleep 😂

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Yes. This was not the bedtime story I was expecting at all....

I think I will read it again tomorrow. We have an electric stove at home.


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Oh, well that helps :) And Thankfully you do NOT have Don and Taspirin 😂

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PIZZA! PIZZA! PIZZA! PIZZA! PIZZA! PIZZA! PIZZA! PIZZA! PIZZA! PIZZA! PIZZA! PIZZA!

PIZZA Holders sent $PIZZA tips in this post's comments:
samsmith1971 tipped scholaris.pob (x1)
samsmith1971 tipped erh.germany (x1)
@samsmith1971(12/20) tipped @chincoculbert (x1)
wrestlingdesires tipped mineopoly (x2)
wrestlingdesires tipped wil.metcalfe (x1)
wrestlingdesires tipped erh.germany (x1)
samsmith1971 tipped wrestlingdesires (x1)
wrestlingdesires tipped vikbuddy (x1)
vikbuddy tipped samsmith1971 (x1)
wrestlingdesires tipped samsmith1971 (x1)
wrestlingdesires tipped dreemsteem (x1)

Learn more at https://hive.pizza.

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I have a hard time writing a post like this because if I am going to really say whatvI think of POB it is a mixed bag...

When it comes down to it... I am here because it's challenging and fun and liberating. It's the only community on Hive that lets me be what I want to be without any pressure. It's a very special place...

POB could also be known as Proof of !BEER

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Without constructive criticism, how can any community grow?

!PIZZA !ALIVE

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Don't misunderstand me @wrestlingdesires,

I love @dreemsteem's ranting. That's what makes her who she is.

And proofofbrain is not in the position to say we are doing wonderful and don't need any constructive criticism. Even if we were doing wonderful it would be more reason to need constructive criticism.


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Agreed on all points ❤️ I do believe that POB will rise to the top, we have so many people dedicated to making it happen!

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Hahahahhahahaa you missed another one I did yesterday....

But the poster came back and added his comment that was a post too!!!!

Thankfully it was just me and him in the comment section hahahahahaha so it was just a conversation there hahahahaha

But I actually hope more see his post because it was great!!!

Oh wait!!!!! I forgot!!!

I have @ecency points from @melinda010100 that I can use to boost his post!!!!!! WOOOOOOOT!!!!!

By the way...now that I write her name here....hahaha I haven't come to see her in a bit...

I'm coming to see you now Melinda!!!!!!! ❤️🥰❤️🥰❤️🥰

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Hi Sam,

Thank you for the invitation and tagging me. This may seem at first unrelated but I hope it becomes clear once you - and others - read to the very end of my comment:)

I had prepared a really long answer, but then decided to start from scratch (still long). In thinking about it longer, I personally come to the conclusion that quality always trumps quantity for me. I'm not good at bringing masses on board, nor does it suit my individual gusto. I am therefore thinking to be a mentor to few people here on Hive that I want to give time and attention to (I may change to other people after a while). It doesn't matter to me if it's a newbie or someone long-established, I'm more concerned with the personal connection and chemistry I perceive.

It runs away from me what seems to be often understood by "engagement" here. What is meant? Networking with as many people as possible? With as many topics as you can? That's not my thing.

Engagement for me is something very personal that may not happen more than a few times a month. I don't value engagement as using up my voting mana as much as I can, or including other channels (that I don't maintain) to look like a good user. It would be a dishonest effort on my part. I probably fall off the grid of respected marketing activities with that.

I once landed on the blockchain and what seems to fall completely under the radar here on Hive is that you don't focus solely on the virtual, but people can actively trade with each other with their Hives, horizontally and not hierarchically as seems common here.

Example: I once purchased a painting from an artist who was active here, and he sent it to me in the regular physical mail. I paid in steemit dollars.

I see too much dependence of the active people here on the community operators (no offense, I am also valuing the different operations), where the only thing that seems to matter is to compete with each other. My understanding of community is different.

Where people produce something or a certain ability is inherent to them, why don't they trade these products or services among themselves also through their wallets?
That's what I would call a marketplace.

I have forgotten this one myself over the years. I was once known here in my profession as a family and social counselor (my profession in my offline life) and there were situations where I could support my readers in personal issues, either publicly or privately. There would have been nothing wrong with wanting to see this form of service paid for in blockchain currency if a client saw value in it.

The issue I see as a long-term active on the chain is that my followership is not permanent, that those I followed have largely given up. The constant exchange of usership is therefore a problem, because I have to constantly strive to explain who I am, although you could find this out for yourself, if anyone even bothered to read posts older than seven days. It could be also a solution, for the constant changes in usership mean that none of them has come across what one already has published and it is new to them. They may even find pleasure in reading the former comments.

I'm way beyond writing eulogies and motivational posts about the Hive itself, if I'm honest. Which is not to say you agree with it if things are new to another one. I sometimes feel like someone here who has already finished school but is supposed to keep going back to eighth grade. LOL

By commitment and "hard work" I mean this, for example. Who's going to read it?

I proposed to POB drivers that I would find it a good idea to promote content already created, dating back months or years. Was it you, @scholaris or you @trostparadox?

It may be construed as immodesty that I think there are publications of mine that I could neither formulate better nor reissue in a different form. They stand on their own and could be used where there is a genuine interest in this content. I myself would be more than pleased if individuals drew my attention to their past publications, but that habitus does not seem to be present here. I feel like I'm in a constant race, which in the long run destroys my motivation and will to be creative.

Is it something dishonourable to re-promote publications that have already been released? Which might have not trended or do not even have any particular payouts to show for it, I find not only a pity, but a neglect of content and potential. And even if they were once voted in the higher range, I would not have an issue with that to be generous more than once from my side.

What can I do? Complain about it?
I could, of course, become active myself and announce that I will re-upvote and comment on original works by individual users that date back months or years. But would that entice anyone behind the stove if there weren't lucrative curations or hive dollars in the offing? Since I'm not a big stakeholder, I suspect I wouldn't get much of a following, which would make the effort to bring something like this to life a non-starter. I could be wrong, of course. So still have to think about it. Please, give me your insights and thoughts.

To sum up:

  • For newbies to drop some hive dollars from my personal wallet and pay them that way, as I can afford it (since my upvote can only show measly pennies).

  • For old-timers to support each other by upvoting and commenting again on their original posts made with love (enriching the newly created post with a few explanations of the old post). I mean, come on, what speaks against it to gain in terms of currency and awareness from something you put into a lot?

  • To enliven the marketplace by trading goods and services horizontally with each other, who in turn use the Wallet as their a relevant source of remuneration.

Sincerely greetings to you and everyone who payed attention.

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I love the idea of featuring older than posts! Sometimes I come across one and read it - but the only reward I can give is a comment and !PIZZA and !ALIVE

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I like it, too. My archive is full of treasures (from my perspective), my readership changed and why would I not want these to come to new fruition?

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Have you thought about making some of them into curated collections?

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Thank you, I do this on rare occasions. Maybe did it two to four times, not certain. For a strange reason, this does not gain momentum, even though it takes a lot of time to make a collection in the shape and form I used to do them. Like the "continue the story" first announcement, I wrote a short introduction and placed to every single story the text and pictures in a manner, appealing to the eye, where all of my finished stories could be approached with one click.

The same I did with my scientific oriented posts, some long time ago. Like here.

Maybe I should open a group, called "Old-Timers" or "Archives revived"-lol

If that's what you meant by "curated collections"? If not, please help.

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That actually wasn't what I meant. It's a good deal easier, thankfully.

This is what I meant, and using Peakd you can add each one in a click from your profile. https://peakd.com/ccc/wrestlingdesires/just-down-the-road-the-collection

I highly recommend not putting any mention of the post being a part of a series at the beginning, ever. I did that, and nobody wanted to read the post. Now if I mention it at all, it's at the end. But in general I'll just drop a link in the comments if someone actually read it closely enough to be curious about the rest.

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thank you for dropping the link, I opened it through hive.blog (I don't use peakd). Though I still don't understand - you mean, when you want to promote older posts of yours, you just give a link by not mentioning it being from a series and that people followed the links?

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It displays differently in Peakd. You just select "add to curated collection" once the initial post is made, then it's automatically added. They have a community for it too :)

And with my series, I really try to make each one where it could stand on its own. But some people will ask for the next part, or have a question. It's easy enough to give them a link to the collection, or even include it at the end of the post :)

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I don't remember speaking to you about the topic, but I DO remember reading about the possibility of re-publishing older content.

Sociel Media

We see republished content all the time outside of Hive. Old YouTube videos, for example, can collect earnings for years. Hive only allows content to receive rewards for up to 7 days after publishing. A limitation like this appears to draw ire from the community as there is time pressure on that article to gain funding. So, a seemingly great article might receive the value of a low reward with only 7 days being active. It's for this reason why I see engagement as being so critical towards getting your article noticed. You have time on other platforms.

Unfortunately, I only know what is the rule. I don't know the why of it apart from that it may be regulatory-based. I'm not sure, to be honest.

Potential Solution

I've been speaking to Hive Downvote Rewards about the possibility of republishing content I previously published. What Hive doesn't want is double-rewards for an old post. What I understand of things is that I can republish content if:

  • I accept no rewards for the post, AND
  • I assign all rewards to @null, OR
  • I can assign all rewards to @hbdstabilizer

I'll have to get back to you on their responses, but I walked away feeling pretty confident about republishing. My original intent was to re-publish articles as a refresher to the community. There's no reason why I couldn't, for example, promote someone's past work to get them some advertising.

Responses to erh.germany's points

For newbies to drop some hive dollars from my personal wallet and pay them that way, as I can afford it (since my upvote can only show measly pennies).

That's definitely one way to go. I do know that for introductory posts use of the #introduceyourself tag, at the very least, will give the new person additional Hive or other tokens they may not get on regular posts. Hive seems to give a pass to newbies which is understandable.

For old-timers to support each other by upvoting and commenting again on their original posts made with love (enriching the newly created post with a few explanations of the old post). I mean, come on, what speaks against it to gain in terms of currency and awareness from something you put into a lot?

The "potential solution" I wrote of could apply here. Also, curation posts provide a function that seems to meet your point. When I've written curation posts, I delegated article rewards to them. I don't see curation articles as a good payout for myself. It's always an act of appreciation for me.

To enliven the marketplace by trading goods and services horizontally with each other, who in turn use the Wallet as their a relevant source of remuneration.

I've not thought about using the wallet as a source of remuneration. I don't actually know that this is done as my knowledge about Hive isn't as wide as I'd like. It's a good idea though.


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Hey scholaris,

thank you for your reply. I see some overlapping points in my answer to Sam and I ask you to read also, what I responded to her, so I won't repeat myself.

I've been speaking to Hive Downvote Rewards about the possibility of republishing content I previously published. What Hive doesn't want is double-rewards for an old post. What I understand of things is that I can republish content if: ...

For me, it cannot be something "Hive does not want", as I see it. In the policies of Hive I nowhere can see anything against it, it's rather a form of etiquette, not a restriction. Hive is, from my point of view, also a self regulating system with aspects both, hierarchical as well as anarchical and everything in between.

Let's say you received in payouts 99 cents for a post of high effort and quality, would that be a double reward? I don't think so.

It can only be seen as a double reward when one rides on this principle and does not see the single case. In any case, if you would re-post an old article of yours, I'd be able to see the former payout (you would not just post it without revealing that it was already published on your blog, wouldn't you? At least, I would not do it that way - but even then, it really depends). If it received a payout in the higher ranges, I may not vote for it, but maybe inclined to read and appreciate the content itself. But most likely I would give an upvote, why wouldn't I, if the content is new to me, got my attention and makes me wanting to comment.

If a dumb thinks to re-post trash again, nobody will show interest or give upvotes anyway (excuse the curse). It may even be downvoted. ... The more I think about it, the more I think I could just do it and would have to take the risk that it might be frowned upon or even downvoted. Which would be a shame from my point of view.

The "potential solution" I wrote of could apply here. Also, curation posts provide a function that seems to meet your point. When I've written curation posts, I delegated article rewards to them. I don't see curation articles as a good payout for myself. It's always an act of appreciation for me.

That sounds like a really good idea. Though I have not fully understood. LOL.
Do you mean that when you write curation posts and you get payouts for them, that you give those payouts to others? That's a very good point that I haven't thought about enough. See also what I wrote about promos and ads in my reply to @samsmith1971 .
Let me ponder ...
.... Indirectly I did already as you said! I made an announcement, a starting point for a contest and then a winners announcement for "finish the story", the rewards were then given by me to the winners (I have not made the maths, if I lost, were even or won financially wise. Though that is not the most important aspect for me).

Duh, sometimes things are simple but I cannot fathom them. I am happy to have talked to both of you in this length.

I may have forgotten to consider other points of yours, but right now my brain says "no".

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I completely hear where you are coming from and my view of the entire ecosystem is a bit ambivalent, to say the least...but ... I love being here and I love engaging and the quality of writing is pretty fantastic across a lot of the communities... some days I engage a lot across loads of topics and it fuels my curiosity and thirst for intellectual stimulation or human connection. Other days, I am tired and don't manage more than some upvotes and !PIZZA style calls to the bots to tip posts. I don't engage for the sake of it. If I don't have anything to say, I either say nothing or very little. It doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the post or find it useful, but the author may just have caught me on an off day... we all have them. There are some authors that I do enjoy more lengthy interactions with, yourself to name one of them ;-) as I genuinely feel that I learn and grow in the process and the philosophical and intellectual extension helps my soul to thrive. I personally see articles and contests where we are asked to discuss Hive, POB etc are there for a number of reasons: one to help provide 1st hand feedback and information to attract newcomers to Hive or entice them to stay long enough to have a good look around at what Hive and its communities has to offer, and two to provide insight to those who do have the power and technical expertise to effect change at a higher level and behind the scenes.

As regards tipping newbies, I tend to use bot calls, give encouraging upvotes where I enjoy posts, provide guidance and encouragement in the comments and run a monthly contest to hand out some tokens and provide a learning experience at the same time.

Regarding republication of old posts, I think this should be allowed definitely at no reward (as per @scholaris' comments) but also if it was at all possible to build the programming into the platform, I thing the reporting of older content for reward should be allowed if the content is say >2 years old, and if each user is restricted to reposting a limited number of older posts in any 12 month cycle. We don't want to end up like SKY TV where we are paying for all of our channels to be just reruns of old series. For those who have been here a while, I can see why they would not necessarily appreciate this. For newcomers discovering older material can be like finding an absolute gem (and I have certainly discovered a few myself!) and then it's like .... nooo I can't even show this author the love they deserve on this post from me. So what I do then is I comment, I call the Pizza and LUV bots to visit and if I receive a response to my comment, I upvote the author's response comment.

I don't think it is against the rules to republish an article if it has genuinely been updated and revamped for changes over time. I have seen this done in the past. Perhaps though it would be better to create a new post altogether and then cite passages from the old post and intersperse with all the new updated elements and revised commentaries / changing viewpoints etc? perhaps @scholaris could comment on whether this is an acceptable approach.

And as for a marketplace, I have already seen on Leo Finance where someone started a trading group and people bought into the group and paid fees from profits to the trader, and you can use Pizza tokens to buy physical goods in the Pizza store. So I don't think there is anything preventing market trading. Perhaps a new Hive community is required where physical and virtual goods can be bought and sold with Hive and Hive-engine tokens?

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Thank you for your answer and references to my points raised. Appreciated!

To sum up your response, do I understand you correctly that

  1. You express your appreciation for new and old users through tipping (Pizza, Luv, Beer etc.), running own contests and engage in commenting (so your and mine approach can easily co-exist)

  2. You'd insert a threshold of >2 years as well as a restricted number of re-issuing postings in any 12 months cycle in order for the originator to receive both payment and awareness (agreed for two years - even though I can imagine one year, too - up for discussion for how many postings)

  3. For horizontal trading with goods and services you take into consideration a middle-man or a community in order to bring more awareness to the fact that direct user-to-user trading takes place (I think the habit to trade with each other needs a push, indeed, I have forgotten it myself over the years. Not so sure about middle men)

Perhaps though it would be better to create a new post altogether and then cite passages from the old post and intersperse with all the new updated elements and revised commentaries / changing viewpoints etc? perhaps @scholaris could comment on whether this is an acceptable approach.

You and I and everyone else can decide this on your own. There is no allowance needed from my point of view. It would be even strange to ask for allowance, when citing your own work in a freshly made post. I consider it not only acceptable but also sensible from the viewpoint of authors in general to make references to their own works.

I personally see articles and contests where we are asked to discuss Hive, POB etc are there for a number of reasons: one to help provide 1st hand feedback and information to attract newcomers to Hive or entice them to stay long enough to have a good look around at what Hive and its communities has to offer, and two to provide insight to those who do have the power and technical expertise to effect change at a higher level and behind the scenes.

I have a different view on this but this is probably due to my long term being on the Blockchain and the Blog. Any questions newbies might have, are already answered in the Hive FAQs, or, if one wishes for personal contact, can be asked from those who, through their reputation number and blogging activity can answer questions, or, if they cannot, do know people who can.

I hope not to offend you with my viewpoint, for I see speaking about Hive, POB and the like more as advertisement, once it primarily promotes the positive features and wants to attract new users alone. I have noting against advertisement, but I find it easier to separate it and make it obvious that it's an ad or a promo. (I find it in the meantime even strange to get paid for it and personally would probably use the "no payment"-function if featuring the positives alone - but that's only my perspective).

My professional background as a former PR-consultant for big brands may influence me, for Public Relations is a hybrid between editorial contents and placing indirect advertisements to an audience.
In PR incentives and rewards are highly used to attract potential new buyers. If it's not about promoting alone, the point you raised

to provide insight to those who do have the power and technical expertise to effect change at a higher level and behind the scenes.

may not be recognized as such if an article which concentrates on the positive aspects does not call for suggestions or proposals which contain changes in the code or etiquette.

I thank you for reading and answering attentively, as always, I can give the compliments made back to you.

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hi just a quick reply this time ;-) re Q1-3 ...1) yes 2) yes 3) No middle man necessary...just thinking out loud whether people may want to advertise somewhere centrally with a post to get more exposure to their product... so there could be a community tag that could be used by folks to find specific types of trading offers. Rewards could be set to zero or people could show a liking for what is on offer and upvote but not buy at the time. So yeah I guess a marketplace community but really just a decentralised hub lol so that it makes it easier to find buyers and sellers. Re these contests being adverts and promotion. Most definitely they are. I thought that is what I was saying too ;-) There will always be things in any "product" or "service" that don't fit exactly with what one may one want but if the overall experience is a good one then there is no need in my view to mention the odd poor experience as these are to be expected in any aspect of life and are for each of us to navigate with the support of others if we happen to cross those bridges. I think I mentioned some of the weaker areas in my article already but in a positive way in terms of the support and dev I'd hope to see. I do hear where you are coming from though and you are right, that these platforms are not all sunshine and roses, but is there anywhere that is? I keep coming back for more though. The fantastic people I meet here and engage with are worth the oddbod that throws a wobbly😂thank you for chatting with me as usual @erh.germany your interactions and views are always valued 🙏

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Re these contests being adverts and promotion. Most definitely they are. I thought that is what I was saying too ;-)

You are right, it's possible that I start to mix single posts with the overall impression I got during my time being here. All the praise wakens desires and also leads to disappointments. People come and leave in droves and I am probably reluctant to catch up.

Having said this, I leave it alone and fully agree that each and everyone decides on his own. For a strange reason I once in a while get totally annoyed, it probably has to do with the fact that this kind of promo receives from my subjective perspective such a high awareness and my ego probably shouts "meh! Can we start to have conversations apart from that and come to what ME, myself and I wish to thematize! HaHa! Busted myself! :D

these platforms are not all sunshine and roses, but is there anywhere that is?

You can do better :) lol

Smack! That was a kiss :)

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I proposed to POB drivers that I would find it a good idea to promote content already created, dating back months or years.

I remember you bringing that up with me. If it is very clear that the content was previously published, I personally don't see a problem with that. However, I could see where others would consider that spam.

I will be making an announcement within the next week or so regarding the establishment of a new Layer 2 tribe / token and a call for input regarding community standards to govern them. Please check out the announcement, once it's posted, and feel free to contribute to the discussion about those community standards.

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Good to see you joining the Tribe Token Talk dear. Well you already touched the magic of your creative writing into it. That a Nice Publicity for POB. Do you know, you are the most favorite author of POB. See ya
!PIZZA

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She most certainly does have a magical way with posts :) ...

!PIZZA !ALIVE

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Hey, @samsmith1971 you just said it all with the fewest words possible, I know you like going into a lot of detail 😏.

It's a great privilege to be part of that list, I'm glad to be part of the POB Community, it really is a great place to be. Since I came here I've found my confidence, strength, support, growth, and a family. It really is amazing to see the amount of work being put to ensure this Community grows, I think we all deserve to see the POB token rise in price as rewards for our hardwork. It'll happen pretty soon, she just need to be more consistent in doing whatever it is we're doing.

Thanks for sharing your amazing PoB experiences with us, I hope others can be well inspired to be a part of this community

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ok I have to lol ... just a bit ... my comments go OTT sometimes, neh? 😂 I can't help it! I just get so excited by things hee hee Chinco. @dreemsteem... check this out ... I'm being playfully ribbed too for my long posts and comments haha. I saw Wil having a laugh earlier with you about yours hee hee. And, Chinco ... I think some of us are rubbing off on you too ... your comments have been essays in reply lately. And I've loved them! But thank you. I guess when you know what you want to say, it just flows. I could have said so much more... but ... I ran out of time ... that's my excuse! ROTFL now 🤣🤣🤣 But Proof of Brain is a wonderful community and I am so glad you are here too Chinco and that you decided to stay, when you could have walked away. That took a lot and I am proud of you for staying the course and being true to yourself. I honestly do hope that the leaders in Hive and Proof of Brain continue to build up the communities. It's home to so many wonderful people and we want our home to be invested in and looked after, not torn down or apart.

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hahahahahahaha you should have seen two that i did today

when it posted, even i was in shock

i was like - OH COME ON LEAH. really?!??!! GEEEEEEZ. AHAHAHAHAH

BUT WHAT CAN WE DO???
we like to type the keys ;)

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I'm still rocking back on my chair laughing. Gotta love you Leah. I can soooo relate. Sometimes I'm like, seriously Sam, you've just hijacked that poor person's post! And I was just being me and sharing and supporting and ...you get it! I even had one person get pretty rude to me on a comment I had made to Jay which I guess was worthy of a post in itself lols (but I wasn't looking to profit off of it). So I was like ... hiya ... this was a direct response to Jay and ...I did put a warning upfront that it was long lols ... all said really diplomatically of course and with as much joy as I could muster, because you know, when you chat with Jay, it's joyful, so I was feeling happy. And you know what ... they came around 💗

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hahahahahahaha i know - some people really don't like it
but the funny thing is - then don't read it?? hahahahahaha

i don't know - people get bent out of shape hahahaha

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Well we just gotta love on them then!

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agree :)

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Hey Leah, I'm particularly sorry about the way I'm going to act right now, it's not really of my own doing, please don't get offended but I'll still like you to listen to me though.
#sigh, I don't like it when things get this way but men, it is what it is. Don't get me wrong my dear, things like this just happen and then it starts to get weird and a certain awkward situation happens.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm just discovering that your name is Leah, hehe, (whispers, your name is lovely,) and I don't want it to sound weird because last time I told you I loved the way you talk, now it's your name, hahaha. I sound like a stalker of some sort,lol. But yeah, I don't even know why I typed this whole thing

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!

you just seriously made me laugh so hard - and my cheeks are red! LOL

You got me scared though at first! I saw the comment come up in notifications and it sounded like you were upset with me! hahahahahahahaha

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well... 😊🙈 I'm glad you like my name LOLOL

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Did you really laugh that hard??, Lol, I sorry about your red cheeks.

Hehehe, that was the plan, to mess with you a bit, I'm glad it worked. I'm certainly not upset, lol, who could ever be upset at you, haha.

Now you're making me laugh 😂😂😂😂😂, such a lovely Gif, awnnnnnn

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hahahaha yes!!! LOL i laughed because I was expecting something bad - and then I GOT THE SURPRISE of something so sweet! hahahaha so i really laughed hard hahahahahahahaha

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Lol, undoubtedly, they're moments when we're so moved to express how we really feel, and what better way to express it than to type!

Hehe, er...................😂😂, Good communication corrupts good manners or how's it out, haha. But men, it's really contagious. I see @dreemsteem comments and I'm like wahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Lol, I love the way she's so excited about sharing her views, shows how happy she is and her vibe easily rubs on everyone and it's exactly what we need.

I talked about hive needing that extra spark to bring everyone to life and she's one outstanding spark.(I love you too @samsmith1971 😊).

I said it, I knew you'd have had a lot more to say, lol. It sorta didn't feel like the Sam I know. I'm glad though that you still made out time to write this post and obviously sell this Community. There's no place I'll rather be than here And surely we'll work towards moving the community forward. ❤️❤️

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hehehe "one outstanding spark"

thank you ❤️😊

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Such a lovely compliment, hey Dreems? ... Chinco knows how to make people feel appreciated too ...and have you seen some of his latest curation comments? he is flying :-)

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heheheh it's so awesome! I love what's happening here on Hive right now with so many people spreading encouragement and joy :)

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💗that she is Chinco, that she is. Just what our community needs and yes, very infectious 😍👍 !PIZZA !LUV

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You've definitely made me interested. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this community.

!ALIVE
!wine
!LUV

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Thank you @awah. It is really a wonderfully challenging and intellectually and creatively stimulating community... and very supportive of each other.

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