Discussing Valuable Content - #IAmAliveChallenge - Day 13 - #HiveIsAlive
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Today, I spend a lot of time discussing whether or not Hive is a friendly space for non-crypto oriented creators. The discussion was based of a video by @sergiomendes:
It is a very interesting story and it comes from someone who has been a creator from the very start.
This video is NOT a response to that video. I commented my views on the post itself. This video does talk about valuable content and its perception on Hive.
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Thank You for the shoutout and also thanks for the discussion about the issue. All the points You brought in Your video are valid and facts. And while the big majority of the big stake holders will be developers of the hive blockchain I guess we won't see any great shifts on the type of content that is considered valuablenin here. I guess until we get an hive interface, platform or dapp on the blockchain, with a big stake and interested in supporting and "promoting" and push other types of niches when it when it comes to content, we will be stuck on this cycle. And at this point I don't see that as a positive for the future of the community. Just here thinking if I should make that my battle? If I have the energy to go against the everyone and try to push a different agenda eheheh
We need more creators, and also just more people that are just here for interaction, viewing it as a social platform. But it is such a scaling option which I haven't been able to wrap my head around. I think you don't have to make it your battle, but definitely your mission.
god. Becoming the one that is going against all the big and powerful people. Lol that seems like a great idea. I might do it.
Yeah. But still, I'm not sure they are against you. Maybe just unsupportive.
I don't know if you've read @ph1102's comments. He makes a good case.
It is also an argument that @theycallmedan made in one of his recent videos.
Basically, you get layers. The inner layer is the Hive ecosystem. The outer layers are more communities for people with similar interests. You earn tokens within your community and with that you earn Hive as well.
The only part of the puzzle I'm missing is the mainstream entry point. Maybe there no longer is one, maybe that is the idea being a fully decentralized.
All you need is a strong enough 'Why?' to built the community so you get the support of others to properly set it up.
Btw, I'm just thinking out loud here. I'm still processing the information as we speak.
I have a lot of fun with what I do and create. Otherwise I would have left many years ago. I have never made here enough profit for me to really be frustrated because of money. Maybe if I was living in a different country the money and rewards I am doing would be amazing and that could be a motivation for me to get pissy when things go down the drain. But i want to make it clear. I live in zone 2 in London so even when I was at my high rewards in here it was never even enough to probably pay half of my rent. The tokens idea is great, and the communities, but when we are struggling even in getting the main coin of the community to grow, get popular, get traction. How will we manage on develop and grow a token that is used but 100 or 200 people?
I'll let others answer that question. Don't feel like I'm the right person to answer that.
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@jeanlucsr and @sergiomendes- I've only been here for a month but I have definitely noticed the situations that you are both referring to- and all I can put it down to is the same thing that happens every day in real like and that is the friend version of nepotism. It's who you know not how good you are. or in this case- how good your content is....
As for consistent engagements with your own followers, do you think that it's also a matter of there being so many things and people on here that everyone is spreading themselves too thin? Or just not interested?
And I am definitely finding it a very time consuming thing too. I can do ten times more engagements (and fun) on Facebook that I can do here in three times the amount of time. And therefore, I feel like I don't have enough time to engage with everyone.
And I stillllll don't understand so many things about it- not the actual interaction and engagement process, but more about the admin/wallet/value/procedures and standards, which really, should not be like that since the Hive is a relatively new protocol/platform and everyone is working so hard to entice new people here, so you would think that it would be so much easier to understand.
Give me one 5-10 min tutorial on anything and I can jump on and do it competently right then and there, but a month on here...🙄
Thank you for reading and paying attention to this. Yeah it is not easy and accessible at all. All the developers have been working hard to make that easier but still can have their troubles, and all the new stuff appearing and happening make it a continuous learning process that for people that come as an average user/ content creator point of view can become very overwhelmed and just tired. But hopefully we will get to a point where all is more simplified :) when it comes to consume content here... yes agree. It can be difficult depending the interface or dapp you are using. :)
I'm only on Peakd and 3Speak, though I haven't done anything with 3Speak yet as I need to find information on how to create different channels 3Speak under 1 username like you can on Youtube, but I am on Peakd every night- Day #42 for me tonight, And some of the results are not very encouraging....
I don't have any problems with the Dapps themselves- they're are pretty basic platforms, I mean really, Peakd is just a combination of Facebook and Insta, I am just still trying to understand the value amounts and the finer details of the voting/tipping system an so forth.
It's also quite mind boggling the amount of steps that you have to take to cash out you $$$. I don't think that the Hive is for the faint hearted, as much as everyone wants it to be for the average person and get more people in here....Plus it's been proven that people have shorter attentions spans- which is why platforms like Twitter and tiktok are so successful, but yet the Hive has created a system that's so time consuming and scary for the average person who knows nothing about crypto or the block trading traders...
i agree with you in everything You said. And that's why content creators like me get frustrated I guess. Because I am coming from the point of view of an average internet user that gave himself the trouble of exploring and going the extra mile to understand a little bit more and now know that it might not be what I thought it could be or I wanted it to be.
ME too!
Exactly ME too!
but it can be a fun proccess... sometimes ehehe
Hmmmm....
So @sergiomendes, do you feel dapplr helps a bit from an average internet users perspective?
yeah. I think it can be a good gateway. Because it looks familiar. And it offer the option of easy quick creating of short posts from just text, to photos or even videos directly uploaded on the platform. So gives people some familiarity from other apps like facebook, maybe even tumblr!
And @chocolatescorpi,
If you live in Suriname it is even harder to cash out. There is no local bank that's connected to an exchange and Paypal doesn't support Suriname.
Wow so how do you do it?
It sounds arduous enough for me as a beginner, so it must be so much more time consuming for you then...😳
I don't do it. I get overwhelmed at least once a week.
And then I remember why I like doing it.
I was also listening to this guys vid last night and although I didn't understand all of it, a few things did POP out...https://peakd.com/hive-181335/@theycallmedan/mvslcohq which I have not read anywhere in all my HOURS upon hours of research into Hive when I first found it 6weeks ago (who even spends a week researching a social media platform to understand it before they join?) except for me ofcourse...😶
indeed he say a lot of good stuff. And interesting. But then a lot of it is not really what's happening in here
Yeah see and I'm sure that you would have known what he was talking about a lot more than me.
I only recognised a few things- but some of those things really did stick out like when he said about voting on a conversation thread.
Like we're doing here (without the voting) because what I got from that is if we upvote on each others reply every time, then that is actually bad for us. Is that correct? and if so how?
it is bad if you upvote with a high % because it will drain your resources credits and also minimise the value of your upvote when You find posts that you want to give a higher value reward eheh
Yes, I found that out...😳
So is that why he said that it is not a good thing to keep voting on each others replies in a conversation thread? Just because of that or something else maybe?
Just because of that. So you still can vote. But a small % vote. Unless it is a comment really bomb that You think it deserve a higher reward eheh
Ok. Here I go. 9 hours later because of time difference, daddy duties and a social media training I had to give 😅.
@chocolatescorpi, hope this collection of posts helps you out:
I've postponed making digest 004 for about a month now 😭
Like @sergiomendes is saying, Dan is a good whale and he really supports the community. However, sometimes things get stuck on the vision board and don't translate to reality. But that is life. Hive is very much like a hive mentally at the moment. If you are part of a community, if you are in one, the sky is the limit, if your not, you can feel like an outcast. So you either have to find a fit with one or more communities (not necessarily being a core member per se, but supporting them as well) or create your own community. Due to the fork a lot of traditional communities got destroyed. Some moved to Hive and were restored, some were never the same after.
You've joined post fork @chocolatescorpi, which is really interesting, because some community issues go back years.
Oh and the voting comments thing. Really disturbing. I really like 'liking' comments, and I tend to do the at full %. Really had to learn to vote at 1%.
the drama will stay with us for many years lol
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Wow you are an absolute champion!!! Thank you so much for that.
I'm going to have a look at them tomorrow when I'm bright eyes and bushy tailed (I've been editing and photoshopping all day...)
Well I've joined heaps of communities and try to support as many as I can, but feel like I already spend way too much time on here...which begs the question- just how much time do so many others actually spend on here??? It must be heapppsss- It must be all day (and night)....Oh and then there's everything happening on Discord too...wow... far too much to keep up with for me...
bookmarked for reading tomorrow thanks again JLVC! 🙏
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Thanks so much Sergiomendes! I really appreciate the help. 🙏 It's just the small things, but as they say, the devil is in the details...🙂
Thankfully JLVC posted some of his beginners tips here so I'm going to dive into them tomorrow too! 😀
BTW- the platforms are great. No problems with the user interfaces,so I think the developers have done a great job in that respect...
for sure. Agree. But what's the point of having social platforms if there is no actually socialisation. As you said in the other comment: who would joing a social media platform to be only be reading more about the social media platform they have just joined? People want pretty photos, cooking videos, cats videos being silly, lifestyle, holidays, food, naked hot models. 😁 not exchanges, updates, upload problems, new tokens....
True and that sort of stuff is good for those interested in it absolutely, so yes there's definitely something in here fore everyone, it would just be nicer to be able to understand the fundamentals of the basic system right from the start.
Although, knowledge about all of the different tokens would be good for the newbies too. I only just discovered what they were a few days ago (and have not fully looked into them yet) no time...
Yeah it is a lot. A long discovery proccess eheh
You might have to change the people you follow @sergiomendes 😅. Because there is really good and divers content out there.
What I recently did was make a list on Peakd. That really helped me filter out a lot of stuff.
maybe that's also might be the case. But they are not getting on the hot or trending sections. Cause I never get to find them
They usually don't make the hot or trending page. They often get discovered on Day 3 or 4 by manual curators.
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I have often wondered about my own responses and posts/content.
I feel like I do a lot of work on my posts,I fell like I post short, but unique and interesting content- different stuff everyday, engage with others and instigate conversations, but don't feel I get much in return...
And by the way @jeanlucsr that's why I do like your videos, you don't waffle on and on to make 'filler'....
Thanks!
The reason the videos are so short is mainly because I don't have time for that 🤣
I have a wife, 2 small kids, a company, several family businesses, I lecture at two different colleges, am involved in different charities and service clubs. If I can't film edit and post my videos in less than 30 minutes, it just won't happen. I'm so excited I got to day 13. Last time I completed a daily video challenge for 30+ days was before my son was born 🤣
Wow, you sound like you an not only an active life, but a very interesting one too!
What do you lecture on at the uni's and what sort of charities are you involved with?
I don't do half as much as you, but I am still flat out every day and don't have the time to spend (waste) online....
I lecture Online Marketing & Social Media and I'm head lecturer of a Social Media Professional course.
Charities, a lot. I'm going to note it all down and share it later this month. Wait.. I actually did that:
https://peakd.com/introduceyourself/@jeanlucsr/introducing-myself-to-the-hive
Thanks for sharing your views about the "content value"...
Yes, Hive is different than others because of the money aspect, and "investors" aspect... There are some large differences between upvotes on the content, but that is "normal" if we look at the big picture...
I'm about freedom... As much as I don't agree on a lot of times with large investors (whales) and their upvotes, I have to respect their stake... In the end, it's their money, their stake, and they can do whatever they want with it... Abuse is another thing, but "classic" upvotes on posts, aren't really my concern...
If I don't agree, I should buy more Hive, powered up, and be the one who "creates the narrative"...
It's not ideal, but we really should respect others (bigger fish and smaller) and do what we find is right to do...
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Agree 100%.
The only problem is in the consumers section of the platform. We are either not diverse enough in our content, not big enough in the amount of users or we haven't found a proper distribution/discovery system yet.
Do you remember how platforms ask you when you join what kind of content you want to see, and they provide suggestion with tag or people to follow. And how they try to push you into a niche. And use psychology to find you content that they suggest to you. We don't have that here. Which on one hand is a good thing. One the other it makes it extremely hard to find content that fits your interest.
You have made a point about the (interests) problem...
When the thing with tribes started I thought that they will be the main onboarding platforms for the network... Which is the case for some of them... For example, LeoFinance or CTPTalk have onboarded hundreds of people to the Hive, and that should be a case with other tribes also... Maybe (probably) there are others, but I know for these two for sure...
The problem is that a lot of other tribes didn't know how to do that, or just quit when their tokens went down...
But, if you think about it, you are interested in the economy, finances, and you SIGNUP to LeoFinance... You are already where is your interest... After some time, you search for more (if you want), but you are on the HIVE also...
It is happening, but maybe a bit slower... Communities are another idea for "channeling" your interest...
But, you are right about guidelines... We should have something to make the beginning easier for newcomers...
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You hit the nail on the head!
That's my main issue. Right now, it is basically join a tribe or be a loner.
I only post on LeoFinance when it really is something finance related. I feel like I'm cheating when I use the ctp-tag in a none business related. I really considered removing it for this post as. Eventually I kept it, because I felt this is a topic the ctp community might be interested in as well.
When I joined 3 years ago I was like, is there anything else on this platform then crypto discussions? All crypto talk was getting massive upvotes and the rest was struggling to reach $1.00. Oh, and of course all Ned's friends were getting giant rewards for their content. And it is not like I feel they didn't deserve it. It was just a very weird experience.
To be honest, we did evolve. It is really getting much better. And the communities are awesome. But you should not be forced to join a community in worry of not getting seen otherwise.
I understand your point of view... And now when I know that you are here almost double the time that I am, I understand it even better...
Yes, Hive has evolved, and that's why I have this weird "reverse" image in my head where I think that people "should" (or will in the future) come to tribes homepage, and not vice-versa (coming to Hive, and picking the tribe where to go)...
But, in the nutshell, it's just the question of how do we "promote" this place... The best scenario is that we get users from both ways (tribes and hive directly), but it's a good thing discuss about the possibilities and problems...
Yeah sorry, had to correct myself, it's been 3 years instead of 4 😅
But you make an very interesting argument. A tribe first approach isn't a bad one. Marketing wise, it makes a lot of sense for a decentralized approach.
The only concern I have with the tribe approach, you don't have a mainstream entry point. Just multiple mini-hives with certain niches. This is definitely something that I'm going to think about for the next months. Thanks for sharing your perspective, I find it really interesting.
your feedback in regards to this was very good, i appreciate what you said.
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