Are you posting with leofinance tag? Then always post from leofinance front-end . The 20% tax most of you don't know about.
Good morning guys . Today it is more of an informative post rather than just data and stats .
Day by day new users are increasing here on Leofinance , so I though it is better to make this post to make them aware of the tax that exists for not posting from LeoFinance front-end .
What is this all about ?
We all know that there are lots of tribes here on Hive and each one has their own front-end ( website ).
Most of the tribes have taxes on your posts/comments if you don't post from their front-end .
What is the point of this tax ?
Various tribes might have various reason for implementing this tax but most general reasons are -
- You are earning their token but not generating traffic to their site .
- To control inflation .
- To prevent multi-tags posts/comments from getting 100% rewards in all tokens ? ( maybe )
What's the tax percentage for all tribes ?
There is no fixed percentage . Different tribes has different percentage . Today I am going to talk about LEO only .
10% or 20% tax on LeoFinance?
I have seen numerous people talk about 10% tax on discord and other places with respect to LeoFinance . Even when I was new to LeoFinance what I was told is there is a 10% tax .
Wrong , it is 20% tax for non-native posts/comments . Examples -
Take a look at this post by @jongolson - Post Link
Front-end used to post - https://peakd.com
Total rewards -
So he must actually get - 22.32 / 2 = 11.16 LEO as author rewards but
Actual payout -
So ( 8.929 / 11.16 ) * 100 = 80% because he posted from non-native frontend .
Let's take another post from Jon itself.
Post - https://leofinance.io/@jongolson/myhivegoals-the-journey-of-a-thousand-miles
Front-end used to post - https://leofinance.io
Total rewards -
Author rewards expected - 23.36 / 2 = 11.68 LEO
Actual payout -
Don't ask me where did the 0.002 LEO go , it is just rounding issue lol . But here 100% author rewards was paid to @jongolson .
Some data and stats regarding native and non-native posts/comments
This data is from 6th February to 5th March ( so that all posts/comments are paid out by now )
Number of posts/comments made with #leofinance tag
- 62912
Number of posts/ comments made with #leofinance tag and made from leofinance front-end
- 42567
Made with #leofinance tag but not from leofinance front-end
- 20345
Posts vs comments proportion which were made from non-native frontend ( other than LF )
Number of POSTS which is made other than leofinance frontend : 4786
Number of COMMENTS which is made other than leofinance frontend : 15559
Why is this important ?
Comments are usually rewarded less than posts as we all know . So even if made from non-native frontend it doesn't matter much .
But posts usually get upvoted more - take for example @jongolson post itself , he had got 90 LEO upvote for one of his post recently , what if he made it from non-native frontend?
- 90/2 = 45 LEO author reward , 80% of 45 = 36 ( so a loss of 9 LEO which is like 10$ right now )
Where does the remaining 20% go ?
Does it go to @null ? This is the popular perception but the answer is no . Actually it goes to @leoburn account .
Other tribes percentage?
STEM - 50% tax for non-native posts
VIBES - 1 % tax
CTP - 0%
SPORTS - 0%
You want to know for other tribes ? Let me know for which tribe you need it in the comments I will get the tax percentage for that particular tribe.
Feedback appreciated
- Did you already know about this ?
- In the scale of 1-10 how beneficial was this post to you ?
Regards,
MR.
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I always thought it was 10% and everyone I asked always said it was 10%. So this information is really weird to me. I thought the burned LEO would be sent directly to null but I guess you learn things everyday.
10 I think its quite beneficial since I did not know that VIBES had that 1% tax though I think most people would not even realize it. Also the information about LEO was nice and it has made me realize it is 20% now.
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Well if we think about it , maybe they were talking about 10% of whole rewards ( that way math checks out ) but that isn't the right way to inform . Because curators won't lose anything and the taxes are only for authors , authors lose 20% and not 10% .
Even though when we take overall it is 10% , the better and accurate way to inform others is 20% . If you tell authors they lose 10% its wrong , they lose 20% .
To be honest till I wrote this post ( I was trying to post as 10% tax itself ) I didn't know too so data really helps get new insights .
1% doesn't matter I suppose but what is the usual payout for it? Is it in 10s of thousands like SPORTS?
Also thanks for the 10 :)
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I have a stake of 215 right now and my upvote (not at full power but around 95% VP) was about 0.47 so I think the average payout like 10-20 but I haven't check.
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Oh okay fine . I was just interested to know if 1% is visible or not , the bigger the number the easier it is to figure out these small stuffs.
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i've been following you on noise for a while, before i came here, and i've always appreciated the information aggregation you're doing, even from an outsider perspective. keep it up and i'll keep learning!
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You have no idea how much this makes me happy :)
Thanks a lot . Also tell grandma I said Hi lol .
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I haven't posted an actual blog yet, rather through Dbuzz. Thanks for sharing this. Soon, I'll write a blog instead of a microblog. I'll use Leofinance front end.
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Got it :)
Don't waste those precious LEO lol , use leo frontend to save them .
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HIVE (and I assume LeoFinance) is supposed to be open-sourced and transparent.
I would assume that the formulas for LEO and HIVE are published somewhere.
I made some stabs at reading the source code for SteemIt but never figured out all of the variables involved in calculating rewards.
I often get the feeling that there are tricks hidden in the code that insiders can use to get a higher percentage of the reward.
It seems to me that the people running scotbots and rewards should have pages detailing the algorithms used for the rewards and links to the working code.
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Well you make sense , not all the information about Hive and communities is available at one place and if we are really interested and have time then we can find out about it .
With respect to this particular feature ( tax ) which I have mentioned in the post I don't think it was kept as a secret though , many were openly telling about it .
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I did not know about this "tax" before reading your post. I gleaned from analyzing LEO upvote rewards that there had to be code favoring the use of LeoFinance.io .
BTW: I often use the interface of the original post. I look at the canonical link in the HTML source and then go to that interface before upvoting or dropping comments.
I do this in part to re-enforce the canonical link. I don't want references to LeoFinance.io on StemGeeks posts, etc.
I think that the catches that favor insiders to new users hurt the platform. New users see the game as rigged and leave. It also has a negative effect on cashflow. Most new users are in a mode where they are accumulating coins. While many insiders are at a point where they are selling coins. Driving away the people who are accumulating coins drops the price of coins.
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Thanks a lot for pointing this out. I wasn't even aware that there was such a tax. That's really good to know. On the other, I understand that such a tax is in place to avoid tag farming and also as an incentive to post from the front end and generate traffic for the ads.
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Most welcome @achim03 , if the post helps somebody then I am the most happiest .
You nailed it . Absolutely true.
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No and I'm wondering how a generic platform liked Peakd works since, as far as I know, they don't have a tag
It't not that beneficial to me because I don't write posts anymore but it's interesting to know and, if I did write posts, it would be very beneficial. 😊
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There is no concept of taxing since as you mentioned it is generic in nature.
These particular tax which I have mentioned in post applies only to 2nd layer tokens..
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I was already posting whenever possible through Leo's front-end, now that I heard about this rate I will focus even more on posting here
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It's always good to have all the info at hand to make informed decisions . Continue to use the Leofinance front-end to not lose any Leo :)
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I asked at noise but since I made it here... I'll just ask you now :D
3Speak - that's the one I'd really like to know...
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Hey @kaerpedieum sorry I went offline so couldn't reply there.
3speak doesn't have it's own token yet so there is no concept of taxing the token.
Once they issue their own token I will inform you. As far as Hive is concerned , no tax ..
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Right of course
That makes sense
Thank you :D
Thanks for asking though . If you ever need any kind of data related to 3speak or anything , feel free to tag me or ask me I will get it ASAP .
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Well, people are not aware of this on most cases. I was posting with the #leofinance tag without even bothering to use the front end due to habit. If someone switches to peakd.com from the hive.blog it will have a big impact an people will stick to peakd.com because it is easy to use. I was lucky because @trumpman dropped buy and left a message that I shall use the leofinance.io front-end and I'm so glad he did it.
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I completely agree. It's not many times we go and see our Author rewards on any community especially because it is issued to us once a day unlike Hive .
We might lose 1-2 LEO per post but when summed up it will become 50-100 LEO over a month .
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Thanks for sharing this. I had no idea this tax even exists.
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Most welcome . Glad you found it out through this post , if you have any question feel free to ask .
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tokens.I wonder how many of those that were posted from a different platform but used the Leo tag were just people tag farming. That doesn't happen as much as it used to, but you still see it from time to time. We have been trying to cut down on that sort of thing over on the Sports front end for a while now. Nice information here! Thanks as always!
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Tag farming is something which is hard to figure out through data because most of the times techonology and finance go hand in hand so they both belong to STEMgeeks as well as LeoFinance .
True , I see a conflict over there too , I mean many post about splinterlands and stuff I don't think they should belong there though .
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I really don't either, but when it is brought up the biggest argument is that it is e-sports. It is a very gray area. I think I fall on the minority side of it.
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awesome post...thanks for the info, I am new still to hive period and did not realize this
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Don't mention buddy .
If you need any info regarding Hive or Leo , let me know , just tag me @amr008 I will reply to you .
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@amr008, I am a newbie/noob and still noticed this gap a few days ago.
It's excellent that your article provided insight and now I know what to do.
I am happy the post provided insight for you :)
This is one of the main reason I post data analysis posts.
Also welcome to the community :)
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I've been talking about your post, face to face, just now with another hive user. The info you have provided is valuable for our next steps. THANK you so much, @amr008....time is one of my main assets now and I want to invest it wisely. Hugs!
I am really glad to read this . This the main aim of my posts , its not just the rewards , its helping other hive users .
Thank you very much for stopping by and sharing this .
I totally get it , I have been struggling to find time too so let's utilize it in the best way possible .
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I'll be close by, @amr008!
Hugs
I mostly use peakd because of notifications but when posting uses leofinance to avoid tax ;).
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Same here . I always go to hive.blog or peakd just for notification and then hop on over here on leofinance , not only for posts but also comments too .
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excelent post you've got here! Very informative! I didn't know about this tax.
BTW, I got here through Noise.cash so, keep with your strategy as it works! ;D
Keep on posting!
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Thank you very much @martusamak . Glad I could provide some insight .
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