The Unwritten Rules of Hive: The Results

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After leaving the comments open for a week, I am finally ready to share the results of the Unwritten Rules of Hive. It all started after I read a baseball article covering some of the unwritten rules of the game. That led me to write this post asking what some of the "unwritten rules" of Hive were. I got a ton of great replies and I am going to share some of those with you.

The Written Rules

Probably the most interesting thing that came to light was something that was gnawing at me as I reading the replies. It wasn't until @jfang003 specifically pointed it out that I realized that is what had been bugging me.

It would appear that pretty much all of the rules of Hive are Unwritten. I tried to do some digging and I wasn't able to really find anything that specifically listed the rules. I guess that makes a little bit of sense for a censorship free decentralized blockchain.

If I had to pick out a couple specific things that are a widely accepted universal rule of Hive, they would probably look something like this:

  • Don't plagiarize
  • Don't scam

Pretty simple right? You do either of those things and you are likely going to get hammered into oblivion by the rest of the community. It's just bad form and do you really want to be "that person"?

The Unwritten Rules

Pretty much everything else is open for interpretation. While doing some of these things may not technically be in wrong, it is pretty bad form and will most assuredly label you as "that person".

- Don't beg for upvotes or complain about lack of upvotes

This applies both on the platform and in Discord. I've had to warn several people lately that there is a good chance they might get banned if they keep begging for upvotes. If you were around the days before Hive, you know that follow for follow and vote for vote comments were pretty common. People were hoping to trade follows and votes to grow their account as quickly as possible. A much better option is just to write good content and interact with other people.

Thanks @toofasteddie, @taskmaster4450le, @joetunex, @whywhy, @markkujantunen, and @dswigle for that one.

- Don't upvote your own comments

This was a bit of a sticky one. Some people bundled it together with "don't upvote yourself" which I don't necessarily agree with. Personally, I don't upvote my own posts with my main account, but I don't have a problem with someone who does. It is their stake, they have the right to do that. What I think everyone can agree on is the fact that you shouldn't upvote your own comments. That's just petty and usually a pretty clear sign of abuse.

There are some people who write comments long enough they could be considered actual posts, but for the most part, comments are comments, spread your voting power around to some other people and don't bother wasting it on yourself.

Thanks @steevc, @stayoutoftherz, @skylinebuds, @joetunex, and @metzli for that.

- Don't abuse tags

This one happens a lot with newer users of the platform. If you are writing a post about orchids, it probably doesn't belong in the Leo Finance community. It's funny sometimes to see how people justify their tag abuse instead of just saying "oh yep, my bad, I won't do it again". A good rule of thumb would be: if you have to justify to yourself why you are using the tag, then just don't.

Your post is likely to get overlooked by the community and you won't really gain any benefits anyway.

Thanks @steevc, and @tokenizedsociety for that one.

- Don't tag a long list of people in your post

I know I am kind of verging on that with all of the people that I am tagging in this post, but I just want to do my part to give credit where credit is due. What this unwritten rule is specifically talking about are those posts that tag pretty much every user on the platform because they are trying to get attention. What it really does is ensure you are going to get muted or even worse flagged into oblivion.

Thanks @solymi and @pregosauce

- Don't over post

This is another one that happens to a lot of the newer users. They join the platform and get really excited about putting out as much content as possible so they can get as many upvotes as possible. There is no hard and fast rule here, but it is pretty widely accepted that anything more than two or so posts a day is bordering on abuse.

Worst case your content is crap and you are just trying to rape the rewards pool and posting just to post. Best case, you could really be putting out some great posts if you focused all of that effort into fewer posts per day. I always tend to feel a bit guilty when I post more than once per day with the same account. Right or wrong, that is just the way I see it (as do a lot of other people).

Thanks @antoniojoseha, @cryptictruth, and @epodcaster

Finally, the last unwritten rule is

-Don't spam comments

This one probably could have bundled in with "don't upvote your own comments" and just been considered "comment abuse", but I wanted to give this rule its own space. I think many people on Hive can understand the aggravation of writing a long post and having people stop in just to say "nice post". I'm sorry, but it's trashy. Don't do it. If you can't string together a couple of sentences into a meaningful comment, then just move along. Some people on here get hundreds of comments per day. Having to filter through those nonsense ones is a huge time-suck.

Thanks @steevc, @stayoutoftherz, and @crypictruth

Final Thoughts

There were some other really great comments that I would have considered more "advice" than "unwritten rules". I didn't include them here, but they are definitely worth reading, so make sure you jump over to the original post and check them out.

Additionally,

Several people touched on the point of properly using sources and using non-copyrighted images. This should be pretty cut and dry and fall into the same category as plagiarism, but I have seen several people argue this point over the years. Most specifically with images.

Just my two cents, but you need to do your research and make sure an image you are using has a creative commons license to use it. Simply grabbing an image from Google and then saying you grabbed the image from Google in your post isn't good enough.

You likely won't get any criminal charges pressed against you, but don't be shocked if one of the anti-abuse groups on the blockchain calls you out for it.

Trust me when I say being apologetic gets you a lot further than being defensive. You've got no one else to blame but yourself if you scorch the earth around you.

Finally,

I think @bigtom13 summed it up best with his initial comment:

"Don't Be a Dickhead"

Thank you to everyone who participated in this initiative. I hope that it can be useful to some others here on the platform. I apologize if I didn't specifically name you, know that I do appreciate you and the time you took to give your feedback.

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I know I am kind of verging on that with all of the people that I am tagging in this post

Lol this one got me laughing while reading, am sure you will pardoned on in this case.

This nicely put together, I wouldn't disagree with any of the unwritten rules, glad some mentioned Don't spam comments
that is one that tends to fly around the chain here and there.

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Thanks, I appreciate that. There were a lot of good suggestions, but some of them just didn't fit into the theme of the post. I might get called out for cherry picking but so be it. I think I covered the most egregious offences.

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Awesome. If you are active enough, you will get the follows and upvotes and everything you want. All in due time.

Great job everyone on listing down the rules, now would you upvote my comment and gimme a follow without being dicks? :')

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Haha, yeah, let me get right on that. I am really impressed by the engagement and feedback I got on the original post. It really speaks to the power of the community.

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Also. Don't beg for donations/tips x)

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I never use those tip services. It's too much of a hassle to try and remember all of the commands for the hundreds of different tokens there are. Most of them aren't worth anything either.

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I 100% agree. But this guy asked me via Dm on Discord for Hive xD
He had enough internet to write to me, but not to make posts and make an effort x)

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That's why you shut off all DM's in Discord except for people who are in your friends list. It cuts down on those types of headaches dramatically.

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Don't self vote at all... I'd say.

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Some people feel that way. Some don't. I can see both sides of the argument. I don't hold it against people who do unless they aren't spreading their vote around to others as well.

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Maybe there is one thing I could add to that, that sometimes bothers from certain users.
-Don't comment on posts you don't bother to upvote, that is just really sleazy in my opinion.

I don't know about you, but I really don't like that kind of behaviour.

Just my two cents here.

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Yeah, you will find as your account grows it gets harder to track that kind of thing. The data is there, but sifting through it all can be tedious. Comments are welcome, upvotes are a gift.

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I know, but I already spotted some hardcore commenters, just never upvoting any of my posts. Hoping for an upvote on their comment. Really annoying that is. I am trying to sift those out, but it is indeed getting harder to track.

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Thank you for sharing them :) And so let's abide by these unwritten rules and we'll be safe :) These can be really helpful especially to newer users who are still exploring.

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Yes, I think this could be a really good reference for news users to look at and know what is expected of them on the platform.

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Haha! You know, I adore Tom, @bigtom13 and he has always hit that nail on the head - and ouch Tom!

Thanks for following this up!

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No problem! Like I said to someone else I was looking forward to writing the results post even more than the original post. It was hard waiting all week to be able to put this together!

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Ahahahahaha. Just Tom being Tom :) Thanks Denise!

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You just can't help it! :)

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I'm reblogging it to everyone to see, it's really important that people would see and hear about it. It feels like a list of goodwill articles as a "Gentleman's Agreement"

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Yes, very good way to put it. It is more a code of conduct than anything. None of it is official, but it is widely accepted by the community. You risk some serious retribution if you choose to ignore some of them.

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Don't be a dick is essentially it.

These are good tho. Basic common sense stuff but so many fall at these hurdles.

Comment spam, that does my head in. That's why I made this back in the day.

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haha, that is pretty awesome. I had never seen that before, but I love it! It sums everything up really well! Thanks for stopping in. I know a lot of these seem like common sense, but it is amazing how many people either don't get them or choose to ignore them.

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There is a lot of choosing to ignite but astonishingly there are some that plain don't realise which is why these kinds of call outs are good

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I agree with that. I think education is the best tool we can use. It just depends on how receptive people are. The ones that always get me are the people that are abusing but they have a community behind them, so suddenly it becomes a massive riff across the blockchain.

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Yeah, I hate those ones too.

You can often tell how honest a person is just by their reaction to getting called out. When they go uber mental and start flinging out insults it usually does they know exactly what they have been up to.

That's what they forget, they always get caught and in the end they are cutting their nose off for future earnings

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Yes, very well said. I often find myself sitting back on some of those tussles and wondering just which side is the right side. I'm always afraid that maybe I was upvoting the persons content and I will somehow end up in the crossfire.

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This is a nice summary and the last part really sums it up.

Thanks for putting this together

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No problem. It was actually kind of a fun project to put together. I was looking forward all week to writing the results post before the original post was even cold!

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Add to the list the multiple publication of the same text in different languages in several posts, for such things people receive serious flags, up to complete expulsion, you can’t call it otherwise.

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Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I know a lot of people usually throw their translation into the same post. I didn't realize people were double dipping like that. It probably falls into the limit your number of posts category a bit.

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Yes, it cost my friend very dearly, I doubt that he saw it as a crime and, certainly, he could not read such a rule.

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Pretty good list here! I've been staring at the screen for awhile, trying to think of my own additions.

The only one that comes to mind is "don't compare yourself to others". Maybe they get a $5 upvote and that makes you angry or jealous (b/c you don't get votes that big), but you don't know the background to that vote. Maybe something about the post just rang so true to a big account that they decided to reward it, maybe the poster has been networking for years and managed to befriend a big account and get on their autovote list, maybe...maybe..maybe.. points is you just don't know. Complaining about it will just make you feel bad and may annoy others, so just don't do it. Don't compare and focus on your own posts.

But that "don't compare with others" is also kind of a general life advice.

(Actually I've had some people in Blockchain Poets complain to me about not getting many big upvotes, so this is always on my mind)

Anyway, good post!

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Thanks for the great comment.

Maybe something about the post just rang so true to a big account that they decided to reward it

Sadly, I think this happens far less than we would hope. I'm not complaining :), but it does feel like some of the bigger accounts have some other reason why they support who they do. I think it is one of those cases where "who you know" is more important than "what you know". I can't really complain about my rewards though, they are pretty decent built over close to a half decade of networking!

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You're right, of course, who you know is a large part of it. No where can we see that more than on the front page of LeoFinance ;) But I think it's worthwhile being optimistic and believing that organic growth is possible. But maybe I just say that because in five years on Steemit/Hive, I've not been able to suck up to any of the big accounts enough to get their votes. haha.

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I'm not even sure if sucking up is the answer. Been there, tried that and it also does not work. I really don't know what the solution is to the equation. It's a mystery that apparently only a select few know.

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When you crack the code, please let me know 😃

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Nice compilation of rules or suggestions, @Bozz. this should be helpful to newbies.
I do believe that some of the "crossing the line" mistakes are due to ignorance of protocol. This should help.
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I agree with that. There are a lot of people that just don't know better and this might help them. Then there are those who just don't care and at that point they deserve the backlash.

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I was internally applauding myself for abiding in all the unwritten rules till I saw “don’t upvote your comments”. I don’t but I do upvote my posts, thank God you agree it’s not an issue. And aside from the fact that it’s like supporting yourself, I also thought it doesn’t count that’s why I do it!

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Different people feel different ways about that one. For the most part people just ignore it, but you may run into that one random person who doesn't like that you upvoted your own post.

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Oh wow, thanks for explaining. I never knew that was an issue for some.
Definitely reblogging for others like me.

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Great post, and thanks for sharing the results. Can't believe plagiarism is still up for debate :(
But, as far as I can tell, Hive is one of the most mellow and nice communities I've seen in online!
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Yeah, for the most part we have a pretty cool group of people here. Censorship free or not, I am glad there are somethings on Hive that are non-negotiable.

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Love the last unwritten rule, I try not to be a dickhead most of the times.
!invest_vote
I would love to upvote this post and bookmarked it for later.

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Hehehe, I am bookmarking this for later use. I spend some time every week onboarding new people to Hive.

The goal is to get 22 people to 50HP each! And then beyond!

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That sounds like an awesome goal! I have only been able to onboard one person. Most of my friends are pretty skeptical or they just don't have the time to dedicate to Hive.

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Right? It is hard to add people on to Hive in a way. Fine, I have been fairly successful, but it is hard.

They do not have time?! I always laugh at this one! What do they mean they do not have time?!

Besides comparing what I do during a day, usually, I would like to point out how much time is spent by most people on the internet on various sites. Whether they are creating content or not.

I have also put together some posts on the fly because I had to and it IS possible! If you can't blog then micro-blog. If you can't engage, then share whatever it is that you create. Even if you cannot do what others do, still come and take part and grow with us (And leave your old social media behind!)

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I sit behind a desk all day Hive is pretty easy for me. My buddy on the other hand runs a company and is pretty much driving from site to site all day collecting info for quotes or checking his crews. He gets home and splits wood for an hour then eats and heads to bed. It just isn't conducive for his lifestyle. I get that and I don't judge. I am lucky to have the job I do that allows me to do both.

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Indeed. It is not for everyone.

I do suggest that people without the PC time to use the ecency mobile app and to use 3Speak for some vlogging.

But yeah. We are getting to that.

If they were not spending any time on the internet then it is a no go.

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It's actually pretty interesting the number of people who don't own a PC these days. So like you said, those mobile apps like Leo Finance and Ecency are really important. Outside of the first world countries I think the majority of Internet access happens on mobile devices.

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Worst case your content is crap and you are...posting just to post.

Yep. It's easy to get swept away by all the energy and excitement of just being here. However, it's always a good idea to sit back and get an understanding of the community first.

Observe.
Comment.
Ask Questions.
Upvote.
Engage.

In other words, be a human being who is genuinely interested in bringing value to the community. Value begets value. Or at least that has been my experience.

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I can totally agree with that! It's part of the reason I started taking the weekends off from the blockchain. For one, I just needed the break, but it also gives me time to come up with ideas about what to post through the week. That way I am not posting garbage just to hit some kind of quota.

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I think you can summarize with "do unto others..." This was a great idea to collect the Hive's thoughts.

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Yes, that is pretty much one rule you can carry with you into any situation! Thanks for the comment and the compliment!

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Hello, thanks for this synthesis, it helps me a lot, I really love the funny way of explaining hahahaha, I have fun and I learn, I agree with zero plagiarism and spam, begging for votes for me is like begging someone for love , that hurts my dignity hehehehe, now I think I'm not doing it, I try to investigate well however, there are always things that are overlooked when you are a novice!, I have done the label thing when I consider it important to edify a user like you for example in this post, well justified, auto votes I've never done it, I don't see the point, if it does I'll learn it later, thanks for such a nice and instructive post!

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Thanks! I don't have a problem with autovotes as long as they are done properly. I use an autovoter myself but I also do a fair amount of manual curation. So I feel I have a good balance.

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It's a pretty comprehensive list and thanks for building up this list. I wonder if it's fine to just tag the participants in the previous draw for a giveaway. I just do it because I felt that they might be interested and I see a lot of people do it too. If someone doesn't show up, their name won't be on the list next week.

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Yeah, I don't know too much about that. Those don't bug me as much as the ones where someone gets called out by a group and then they tag everyone who might have upvoted them at some point in time to take their side.

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Nice Post.

I'm flattered. Thanks for the shout out. I read your post and that was literally my first response.

Upvote me-I upvote you!

Thanks Bozz. You are a truly good person to have on this chain, and a friend. I truly do appreciate it.

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Thanks! I appreciate you too! Yours was probably one of the best pieces of advice most people will get on here.

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What if you follow all and still don't get a single appreciation for your work. A question, just in case?

Hive power plays the part too 😃.

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You move along. Unless there is something specific about their content you really like. Otherwise there are plenty of other fish to follow.

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I was not talking about following others @bozz , you got me wrong mate :)

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I guess I have zero clue what you are saying then.

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Sorry @bozz , I think I messed it a bit on expressing 😬

Actually, I was trying to indicate my post, saying all I do follow rules (whatever you mentioned in this and previous post as well) but still, zero response. Sometimes, I feel whether this community is right for me or not.

I would love to read your suggestions on this 🙂

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Ah, okay. I gotcha. I wondered if that is what you were saying. I didn't want to assume though. It looks like you have only been here about half a year. It just takes time. I had to spend 4 years churning away to get to where I am now.

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Okay 😁

Thanks @bozz , once again you're a phenomenal hive motivator. Hats off honestly ❤️

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Some people on here get hundreds of comments per day

that's a good problem to have, it means there are people active here reading or at least pretending to read stuff :P

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Nice post.

HAHAHAH no really good one. I think I have done that sometimes when I am real drunk and can't string words but want to say something but just manage to type. Nice post.

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Yeah, that can happen sometimes. I have likely been there a time or two as well. Usually by that time my phone battery is pretty dead and trying to comment on Hive is the last thing on my mind!

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Well most of these rules should be common sense in my opinion and everyone should understand why they are important. But I know the old Internet days, when there was a Netiquette and then the masses came in and some people didn't care about it. I hope people will understand the importance of a few rules to keep Hive healthy and peaceful.

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They should be common sense, but you would be shocked how many people that are new users don't understand. Most of them anyway. There are some that seem like a gray area and I can see how correction might be needed.

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Yes, that's what I already thought. I try to tell everyone that they should do it, but you can't force them. Pretty sure some of them are also asking why their earnings are low and what they do wrong.

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Yes, lots of people fall into that last category. I actually wrote a couple of posts covering that a week or so ago.

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Great post - ehm points! Haha
I'd like to add one - reblogging:
Some people are a little busy in that regard when I follow them for THEIR content.
Don't get me wrong, reblogging is great, but sparingly used..

comment "nice post"

I totally get that one, BUT just to confirm.. We're not talking about short comments in general, are we?

Mine are usually not very long, but I sometimes just want to comment on something I like, but might not have a novel to write about it..
And not everyone is a clever writer either 😉, but Hive helps to improve in that area, no doubt. 🙂

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Reblogging is good and something that I am admittedly horrible at.

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It sure is good, I didn't mean to say, it's not..
That is actually how your post popped up for me! :)
So definitely good! :D

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