A Case For Bitcoin Toxicity

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Hey Jessatoshis

I don't consider myself a Bitcoin maxi, but I am a big fan of the protocol and the asset. In my portfolio of digital assets, it makes up the majority of my holdings. During the bull run, there's obvious jubilation and celebration as your faith and conviction are rewarded. I think Bitcoiners have every right to enjoy these moments, but many critiques their attitude as crass and the meme culture around Bitcoin as toxic.

You hear it all the time, toxic Bitcoiners, Bitcoin toxicity bla bla bla, it's easy to dismiss the crowd and think they a bunch of crazies. Acolytes of an anonymous person named Satoshi and found something to latch onto, and from the outside, I can see why normies would see Bircoiners as nutters.

Since very few people take the time to look into it other than the headlines and screenshots and sound bites, Bitcoiners tend to be painted in a bad light.

The movement doesn't really give two shits about positive PR; they care about sound money and moving towards a Bitcoin standard. They believe the protocol is unstoppable, and I tend to agree, they don't need to put a positive spin on everything.

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They've done the research

Many people who criticise and fud Bitcoin have not done the research; they have not spent the hours Bitcoiners have reading about the protocol, reviewing the game theory, watching the development.

It takes plenty of hours to scratch the surface of Bitcoin, how it impacts the economy, how it changes consumer behaviour, how a digital bearer asset works, how the double-spend problem is solved, and so much more.

So once you're schooled in all of this and people make stupid claims, why would you expect not to be ripped apart. You don't walk into a room of experts and then berate their fields of study and expect no backlash.

They've got the battle scars

If you've HODL"d through a full bull and bear cycle, you'll know the thrill of seeing your net worth shoot through the roof before crashing back down. It takes a real believer not to call it quits, sell out and move on. Bitcoiners aren't forged in bull runs; they are made in bear markets; those who held on and even accumulated in those bearish times are rightly rewarded and should be allowed to have their moment.

They've been demonised and dismissed

For years Bitcoin has been called a fad, fake internet money, money of drug dealers and money launderers, rat poison and more. It's always tough to take criticism, especially when the market is not going your way, but they stuck it out none the less. They took the heat, held their positions, defended Bitcoin and as it moves past the trillions Dollar mark, these people should be rewarded for HODL'ing.

They’ve seen the scam shit coin cycles before

Since all digital currencies are grouped together by normies it’s hard to see through the noise and fancy marketing.

Bitcoiners have seen every scam and shit coin project plague the industry stealing money from investors.

They’ve become hard to it so if you’re going to step to them about something like oh doge coins going up why not buy it you’re going to get your head ripped off, out of love.

It might seem salty or close minded to you but they’ve just seen it all play out before.

They've had to take the financial strain

I speak to Bitcoiners from all over the world; many are not in a fortunate position and held Bitcoin at times when they needed money. Instead of liquidating their Bitcoin position, they made other arrangements, worked extra hours and took on additional strain to keep their Bitcoin.

Commitment like that should be rewarded, so why not let them celebrate their gains. It just seems like a lot of salty people trying to take shots because they didn't get in.

They've had to delay gratification

Many Bitcoiners like myself didn't strike it lucky and picked it up for a few pennies. We had to set aside a sizable part of our disposable income to acquire the Bitcoin we have and believe that it would provide a return. That capital could have gone into other investments or spent on things you could enjoy.

Bitcoiners have had to delay gratification, and they should be allowed to enjoy their investment paying off. I don't see that as toxic.

To some, it's toxic; to others, its protection

I don't condone all of the things Bitcoiner say and do; there are plenty of things I tend to disagree with as a holder myself. Just because you own the asset doesn't make every idea coming out of your mouth a great one. However, I do think they get a bad rep for viciously protecting something that not only benefits them but all who get into the space.

I would much rather have these disagreeable people willing to stand up for the asset class than the bunch of yes men in the fiat system. Claiming to be doing a job to save us while enriching themselves in the process.

Have your say

What do you good people of HIVE think?

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Well said! I'm not generally a proponent of being a maximalist of any one thing, but Bitcoin would be the logical choice! And I don't consider Bitcoin maxis toxic... have you met the hardcore LINK army brats? lol

I'm in your boat too: I've gathered my BTC over time for more recent premiums, although I've been much luckier with alts. It's been a pretty good year. ;)

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I don’t consider them toxic either, I just think they really tired of seeing all this shit continue to play out in fiat and alt coins

LOL yes I think Link army, Tron and XRP bag holders are some of the most insufferable and whats worse is they don’t even have a leg to stand on with those projects

I don’t consider anything in Alts a gain unless it’s worth more Satoshis and secured into Bitcoin having been around long enough I know how hard the tide tips out on these coins so whatever the usd value to me doesn’t matter! The satoshi value matters a little bit but I sokratis consider it an improvement on my net worth just paper gains

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That's how I feel too... I've been funneling my alts into Bitcoin as they moon. Most of them are buys from over a year ago and most of them have had 5-10x returns-- a few a bit less, a few a bit more. I wish I had more money to throw at it in the beginning, but I've still done well. No complaints.

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I have been doing the same thing, I don't actually care about a return in fiat, because I an still earn that shitcoin with my labour, I am interested in having more Bitcoin.

I also wish I threw more hail marys at the beginning but I am not greedy, I will just continue to stack daily and work hard that's all I can really do.

I missed the bus on big gains for little money but I haven't missed the bus on upside in BTC in my opinin

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Well I don't completely agree with all the views of the Maxis but I do think BTC will be higher in price. Given its deflationary aspect and the way the system is built to remove the middle man, I like the aspect of the crypto. I don't think it will ever become the main currency but it will be an amazing asset.

I technically haven't been through a bear cycle but I do plan on taking out my initial investment plus a bit of profits at some point. The rest of the BTC will be diamond handed and I won't even sell it.

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The more I listen to their views the more I lean towards it, there's just too much shitfuckery going on in the alt coin market, and very little critical thinking about the projects.

For me, I think while it won't be a main currency because governments like control over currency, it will continue to grow and become a globally used store of value and medium of exchange , a sort of currency of the internet.

I know the pain of paying and being paid in forex for my work and BTC already makes that so much easier. I think it brings a lot of efficiency that is still discounted by the market because everyone and their grandmother can spin up a coin and promise the world

I think you may see things differently after going through a full bull and bear cycle, but I don't want to disrupt your journey, we all have our own path. Id say just enjoy it, and don't take it too seriously

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People always have both type of views for everything - positive and negative.
If you believe in something you think of it positively other wise it’s negative for you.
Let’s them live with their views and be jealous of us who live BTC and crypto.
The will join soon 😂
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Yeah exactly and we are either rewarded or punished for the side we take, when money is involved it's very easy to blur the lines between what is fact and what is just marketing. Every crypto is going to preach the good side and never the bad because they have an incentive to do so, just like those wanting gold or those wanting fiat or stocks to pump are going to preach the good in those areas

All the same behaviour, and will always be there but it's important to take a deeper look for yourself and then decide. I you still want to invest in doge coin afterwards by all means, that's your choice

I would never tell anyone what to invest in because I wouldn't like someone to tell me!

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BTC is the king of the jungle.

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Why do you think it gets so much hate though? I feel like people really don't like that it stands for sometimes

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They're just salty because they didn't get any while it was cheap. Same with Doge. We hung on steem and hive and going nowhere. For years.

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LOL point taken I would probably feel the same, I think that a lot of these projects eventually die when the VC money runs out a lot of these projects are pretty unprofitable and they have to compete with BTC to try and get liquidity and that costs them a premium but they think they'll achieve scale but only few will

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I like to keep an open mind about pretty much all tokens. I always get a little down when I see people bashing on this token or that token. Many times their reasoning is totally unsound or unfounded. I guess I am guilty myself for the way I bag on ETH, but the fees are what kill me. If they didn't have the fees, I probably wouldn't hate ETH so much. I consider that totally justified :) The biggest one is EOS. As much as you have people hating on BTC, people HATE EOS. Mention that in pretty much any non EOS forum and you will get smashed into oblivion.

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I am happy to listen to pitches and willing to learn but honestly I've yet to be convinced on any of these protocols and I think they still have a lot to prove. I am happy to use them but not put serious money in it, that I reserve for BTC.

I don't mind the bashing because it keeps people honest and with so many bag holders blowing smoke up peoples arses to get them to join their tribe

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That is a good point at the end there. There are a lot of junk tokens out there that have a fancy website and lots of fluff behind them. If I had to guess BTC is probably a good third of my total holdings. Likely not as much as it should be, but I at least have some.

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No laser eyes yet then? 😜

There is a great video on RealVision which talks even more in depth about the case for Bitcoin Maximalism and the whole history of it that extends even further back than the previous bull cycle.

Was really interesting, don't know if you saw it but basically develops on the points you made and a lot more and makes you see just why BTC maxis behave in a seemingly toxic way if you don't understand it.

Raul Pal also makes some compelling arguments as a macro investor and how BTC could end up being the world's reserve "pristine" asset

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Can you hook me up with a link? I’d love to give it a listen during my work out

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LOL Lazer eyes are reserved for my whatsapp profile pic

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Bitcoin, part of a diversified portfolio protection of Buying power against Governmental fiscal incompetence.

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I agree but I’m not a fan of this idea that buying a lot of alt coins is hedging your BTC position it’s just an excuse to gamble because you want to turn $2000 into a million and do the money moon shot instead of slowly stacking your productivity away

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