Koinly - Handy Tool To Calculate Crypto Taxes

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Koinly

Here we go again with the sexy talk! Seriously though, with all the excitement around BTC shooting up and dragging a lot of alt coin prices with it, if you're thinking of "taking a profit" then I'd like to introduce you to a handy tool called Koinly to calculate your crypto taxes, which was brought to my attention by fellow Brit @gillianpearce. I'll be mostly talking to the UK crowd here so I can't speak for other country's local tax methods - you'll need to look in to it yourself and see if Koinly covers your country.

HMRC

What this online tool does is help you work out any taxes you owe from your cryptocurrency ventures. In the UK, HMRC have totally changed their tune from 2018 when cryptocurrencies were considered as gambling (so you paid no tax at all) vs today where literally everything is taxed! This includes crypto-crypto trading where disposing of ANY crypto is a taxable event, even on Hive-Engine... (full info on their Cryptoassets page here).

Good Housekeeping

If you've done a lot of trading, it can prove to be quite a challenge to keep on top of things but the sooner you get in to good practices, the more you can relax. I've mentioned about portfolio trackers before like Blockfolio but Koinly actually connects to your exchange accounts using something called an "API" which you get from your exchange - there's full instructions on this in Koinly. You can also sync with wallets and Koinly have made it really easy to link everything up.

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KYC

In the UK, you need to give wallet information (even your hardware wallet) too as HMRC have chased all this information from Coinbase about UK customers so chances are, if you have an account with Coinbase, it's likely that you're on HMRC's radar. It is only a matter of time before they get details from other exchanges that require KYC in my opinion. Coinbase is a full "Know Your Customers" exchange where they keep records of which wallets you withdraw to. If there's any missing information regarding wallets, HMRC will consider it a disposal and so you're subject to CGT.

In the words of Captain Darling from Blackadder, "it simply says, "Bugger"".


Capital Gains Tax Threshold

The good news is that if you made any gains less than £12,300 in a tax year (April 6th - April 5th following year) then you don't have to pay any tax or fill out any forms at all. Hurray! More information about that in a really helpful and detailed guide on Koinly.

I am still going through all my exchanges and getting things set up but it is a LOT easier than trying to work things out yourself, particularly when it comes to the "pooling" calculations which no-one will understand unless you're actually an accountant as they are pretty complex, especially if you're dollar cost averaging!

I'm pretty sure that I'm not even close to the threshold with any of my trades given that they are so small but if prices start shooting up in any alt and the temptation to "cash out" is too great, at least I won't have to go back through everything to figure it out!


Changing Strategy

So whilst I get my head wrapped around all the different exchanges and time frames, I'll be changing my strategy a little bit and slowing down my own purchases just to organise all this stuff! The less frequently I make purchases and trades, the easier doing the taxes will be. Of course, I would rather be creating music, blogs etc than getting bogged down in admin but it has to be done! Thanks to some useful tips from @louisthomas in this video, it opened my eyes a bit more too.

Having never cashed out any crypto in 3 years though, maybe I'll just keep what I have until I really need it (I live by the mantra "don't invest more than you can afford to lose") and lend it out so it earns interest or stake it anyway but damn, even interest earnings are a taxable event! Think it's time to consolidate to BTC lol!

What are the crypto tax stipulations where you are? Have you tried out Koinly? Let me know in the comments below!

Tax care

Nicky

Referral Link for Koinly
  1. Sign up with the invite link
  2. Go for the Koinly Subscription (although you can use the free account for calculation purposes beforehand)
  3. You get $20 off the subscription, I'll get $20 credit

I'm not a financial advisor or tax consultant and this isn't financial or tax advice. Always seek professional advice on your investments


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If only I'd had the energy to write this post, add my own referral link and earn a bit more crypto income that needs to be accounted for! 😂 😂 😂

. . . The rest of this comment got so long I decided I may as well write my own post after all. Or maybe not . . .

P.S. Glad you're finding Koinly helpful.

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When you figure out what to do about Splinterlands purchases do let me know!

At least we've all earned so little we don't have to declare anything!

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Yeah exactly, although not sure how the pooling side of it will work if you sell enough of Splinterlands stuff over time. For example, if you end up selling £4k worth and that clears your pool out, if that would then start a new pool with new CGT threshold or if it would continue contributing to your overall pool amount.

I guess filling out Koinly will provide the answers haha! I'm still researching myself as I want to understand it, may have to ask my accountant mate if he knows!

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LOL! At least if it's free crypto, all you need to do is know what the market price is of it at the time you receive it and then work out the market value at time of disposal... i.e. get Koinly to do it for you haha!

Looking forward to your post... or not!

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I think the rule is 'get your ducks in a row', trade as little as possible and don't cash out more than a few thousand every year, if anything!

Is the $20 credit taxable too?!?

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That's exactly the rule I've lived by so far and thankfully when I got in to crypto in 2018 and made all my transfers they were only for a hundred or so quid so probably got nothing to worry about! The most I spent on crypto outside of BTC (which I'm not intending to sell) is STEEM, which I sold along with my earnings and that was only a grand or two! HIVE is now overtaking in terms of spend but not even close to threshold if I could cash out all now.

My aim now is to just consolidate to BTC from those shitty remnants of trades which are still at a loss (not likely to even threaten CGT) and then just be a BTC, HIVE and LEO kinda guy ;)

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Oh, as for the $20 credit, that probably wouldn't be as you're not receiving crypto, it's like getting a money off voucher for a service I imagine as you have to pay in fiat... bloody hell, this is complex now haha!!

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Actually one blissfully simple question for you - I'll put it into a statement to make it simple...

I haven't sold any BTC this tax year, i've only bought BTC, that means I don't pay capital gains tax on BTC, until I sell it right?

But as soon as I sell it for something else, I pay tax on the 'gains' i've made...?

So if I buy £100 worth of BTC and then sell that £!00 of BTC for some HIVE (for example), but at the time of the sale the BTC is worth £200 then I pay capital gains tax on the £100 gain, that's after the first £12300 of profit.

I also just discovered I'd only pay 10% CTG anyway as my income is now rather low, and it's only 10% up to the higher rate threshold, which is nice.

So in short I'd have to make around £35k profit before being taxed at 20%.

It really isn't so bad all this!

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Exactly right on that mate!

You don't get taxed for just buying BTC so if you buy BTC and hold forever, nothing to worry about (like me :D)

I usually just exchange from BTC to HIVE straightaway so that the gain/loss is minimal (in most instances you only lose out with transfer/network and exchange fees so I'm usually at a £2-3 loss for every £100 by exchanging this way).

Yeah I'm in the same bracket although I'm not sure how income tax and capital gains marry together. So if you earn £35k in your job/profession and then crypto CGT on top, does it then go to 20% tax or stay at 10%...?

The easiest way in my view is to just keep your trades under the threshold for each tax year so you don't need to worry about it haha!

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Oh that's nice to know about the losses, i'm so under the threshold!

The income tax threshold mentioned was about £37K - which was odd, I thought the upper tax threshold was around £45K - I guess they're not including the first few thousand which you're not taxed on.

It goes up to 20% once you're above that upper income threshold, yes.

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Yeah man, I don't think we'd have anything to worry about at this stage but worth bearing in mind if our 60k HP becomes £600k in the future and we want to live off it!

You might be right about the thresholds, I'm still trying to get my head around things but I think the upper tier is about £45k too.

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If I end up with half a million pounds worth of Crypto, I don't imagine I'll be too worried about paying 20% tax!

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Man keeping track of Hive engine as well? They really have you guys by the balls there

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Yeah man, HMRC's "love tentacles" reach far and wide!

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Speaking of far and wide, please what is the easiest and I mean really dumbed down crypto app someone in the UK can use? I want something that makes it extremely easy for someone to spend Bitcoin there.

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By far the easiest I've used and nicest looking app is LUNO (referral link). You can also set up automatic payments to buy BTC each day, or week, or month if you just wanted a stress free way of accumulating sats! Referral link info:

  1. Sign up with the invite link
  2. Deposit and buy GBP 100 in BTC (Luno exchange not included)
  3. We both get GBP 10.00 free BTC

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Interesting. I may have to invest in this at some point soon.

Dunno if I can even remember all the exchanges from back in 2017 tho. Also, I have some bags of alts that have gone to zero or depreciated beyond the point of no return. Basically I made some silly ICO decisions and paid the price. the worst one was something called FACE (faceater) which I dropped the eqivelant of $200 of ETH at the time on, now that ETH would be worth $550... current value of my FACE bag $2.62

Faceplant with the faceater investment! Bleedin south African rip off artists 😂

I wonder if these types of loses can be put down as tax deductibles? To be honest I don't have the energy for it now but will defo look into this app in the future.

Thanks Nicky

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It's definitely worth setting up an account and using the free one just to get all your calculations and transactions lined up. Then if it shows you as needing to submit a tax return then you need to pay their subscription model but think it's once per year (I've only got the free one at the moment).

You shouldn't have to worry about things in 2017 as crypto was still considered gambling back then but if you made losses and haven't even realised them yet by "trading out", wouldn't worry about it. It's only if you have made gains of over £12,300 in a tax year from one pool of crypto to another pool/fiat. If you haven't made anywhere near that then no need to worry as far as I have read (but obviously I'm not a tax/financial advisor 😀)

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If you haven't made anywhere near that then no need to worry as far as I have read (but obviously I'm not a tax/financial advisor

🤣 you should make one of those disclaimers that all the crypto trading youtubers say but for your crypto tax posts.

I am not a crypto accountant and none of this information should be taken as crypto tax advice. This information is for entertainment purposes only, and I can not be held responsible for any tax implications you may incur based upon this content 🤣

Boom, any liability avoided through the magic disclaimer.

It's definitely worth setting up an account and using the free one just to get all your calculations and transactions lined up.

I'll get on it once I get a break from the fatigue that's kicking my ass right now. Just considering the detective work involved is giving me a headache 😂... time to take a breath and watch the footie I think.

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Hahaha well it's in my profile and I usually put in that bog standard disclaimer "not a Financial Advisor" sentence in but if people are going to believe what they read on the Internet without doing their own research, they really need to see a psychiatrist! (Not medical advice) 🤣

Good plan with the footie, doing that myself!

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@nickyhavey, This was expected. In my opinion now Cryptocurrency Space is fueling up for the Harvesting so we can expect this in other Countries too. Let's see.

Have a pleasant time ahead and stay blessed.

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Yeah man, think as it becomes more mainstream, there will be governments looking to capitalise on crypto earnings - tools like Koinly will be essential for anyone looking to get into the industry.

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Thanks for continuing to make Hive awesome.

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