CreativeCoin: The Tribe that Gave Up
Once upon a time, every person on the planet.., er STEEM blockchain used the #creativecoin tag for their photography, creative writing, and other such nonsense.
We creative bloggers were thrilled that such a thing existed. We piled all our hard-earned STEEM (Yes, that's not a misprint) into the steem.engine placing buy orders or just buying the sell orders at the ludicrous prices CCC was demanding.
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I saw #creativecoin Whales and Orcas. The dapp was strictly moderated by such names as @derangedvisions and non-creative content was flagged if deemed unworthy of the tag.
Many of us jumped on the creative bandwagon (including me). I know @katharsisdrill and @meesterboom had larger stashes than me at one time, and I had over 20,000 CCC tokens.
...'the value of CCC is dismal, can it be rescued?'...
Then the euphoria of the steem.engine dwindled, and to make it worse HIVE was born out of the STEEM divorce almost a year ago.
When I say worse, both the newly born hive.engine and the formally used by us (steem.engine) may have then been at their lowest ebbs.
Some of the tribes made it to hive.engine including CCC. Someone must have given a shit 11 months ago.
The ones that didn’t or farted around too long before making the jump (JAHM), lost almost all of their potential.
Let me make it clear that I am not writing this article to slur #creativecoin. I still have over 10,000 tokens staked. Value $6. Why would I sell them?
What I am trying to do is kick some people into life and let them know it can be rescued. Just one positive post and that token will leap up again (temporarily). What the fuck happened, @isaria, @derangedvisions, @swelker101?
The discord channel is like a Ghost Town. I have tried to get some answers, as have others. All are met with a deathly silence.
...'CCC is not dead? Look at that burn rate, is someone doing something behind the scenes?'...
The dapp, after being down for so long is back up https://www.creativecoin.xyz/. Does this mean someone cares? I have to admit I was shocked to see it back.
The token still trades but who is bothered anymore, besides maybe swing traders who are gambling?
In the last few months, I have seen hive.engine spring to life again. We all know crypto is on a bull run. Are we ever going to see any life from one of my previous favourite tribes?
If Shane who is dealing with blame (@swelker101) no longer cares, can he not give the reigns to someone who does.
I hope someone who knows something about #creativecoin can tell us all something positive.
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I can't remember the post I read but I read that it was essentially defunct and that there was no work being done on it? Damn, I wish I could remember who it was, might have been the marky mark. They were quite specific about it being dead.
I wonder if it is though? If the site is back
I guess enough people don't know it is dead.
I tend to class tokens with less than a hundred dollars 24hr vol as dead :0)
If you're using that analogy.. then it's looking dire 'over there'
Lol. Look at that supply for the dance token!!!
They are all pretty much dead in the water. That other chain constantly amazes me. Although, to be fair, is you are in with the in crowd you will be coining it in on the posts. With SBD being worth a few quid
That dance token is one of many, many tokens created by that bloke who dances in the park and posts videos as a means of making money I guess. Weird fella!
Hehe, I remember him. He does the same dance every time. In the park too. He is proper nuts. Seems to love the life though!! :0)
.....not as much as he does tokens it seems lol !
Hahaha, true!!!
LOL, I remember him... he's still about and dancing. We had a run in with him, @steevc will remember!
I wonder too, spotted this on their discord.
Nothing else... just this. What is going on?
How very bizarre. Maybe I should buy some back :0D
It is tempting..
I do try and catch some of them when they are in the doldrums!
Marlians.., oops wrong blockchain!
Ooooo, now there is a blast from the past!!! So many shitcoins it's hard to remember!!
Not much going on over there!
Yeah, there is a lot of dead in the tokens market when you look beyond the top ten or fifteen
Take a look at DBlog! and actnearn.....Ive got millions of them!
It's good for cheap artists in DCity, at least.
Is DCity going to survive?, I haven't looked or maintained my city in weeks. It will be in disrepair by now.
Third edition is happening mid-late March. So, it should be good.
dCITY is going to be fine.
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I hope so.., I have a sizable stake in the game!
Not as sizable as it once was sadly lol !
I wish someone would pull their heads out of you-know-where and support this community!
Not only do I have 35,000 CCC staked, but I even have this dedicated alt account for it. The creative community is one of the most obvious "niche segments" here, and almost as clearly defined as LeoFinance. It remains on my short list of "most promising" but growing communities takes WORK! It's like a garden, you have to constantly tend it, and make sure the "plants" are happy and so on... you can't just "start it and run" and hope everything works out...
I also had great hopes for CCC because it had some "star" names at the helm...
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I hear you.., maybe someone who knows something will comment.
Even with Shane's explanation, I'm still hopeful... and with him suggesting he's open to someone else taking over, maybe a new crew could inject some energy into it; after all, it was one of THE original "tribes" from the very start.
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Hey. I run a media company called Silly Linguistics. I love online content. I publish a magazine every month all about languages. I have a Facebook page of over 500k and have about 250 paying subscribers for my magazine. I am in it for the long haul. I want to see things succeed. I used to be a programmer and now I am an online creator. I have loved this tribe since the beginning and I want to see it succeed. What do we need to do to make it a success. I have the knowledge and resources to make this thing go
Hi @stevethevagabond, a very good start is you showing up here and expressing interest! Sounds like you have some key skills and a good following.
I was thinking my next order of operations might be to simply create some posts and encourage influential stakeholders to also make posts about the idea of "Saving/Reviving Creative Coin" and include in these posts an open invitation to anyone interested to join the CCC Discord server for some exploratory dialogue about a plan of action. I suggest the Discord, because that way CCC founder Shane (@swelker101) can be part of the loop.
From where I am sitting, it's very early days... we have to first encourage people to come crawling out of the woodwork to express interest. That's my initial take, at least.
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Ok. I posted a few times here but someone downvoted my comic about language because it wasn't creative enough. Apparently something that deals with words and language is not creative enough. I posted a few times and then gave up. It's fine to have content guidelines (I have them too) but I felt they were a bit draconian. And I think the person who downvoted it is not even here anymore. I will get people I know to join the discord so we can start chatting about this. It is definitely early days. I think the best way forward is opening up the floor to lots of different voices and work out what is the best way forward.
Ah yes, I remember now . . . all those discussions about what was and wasn't worthy of the tag. I hadn't realised the project had died since I still receive tokens weekly and continue to stake them.
As you say, it would good if the reins were handed over to someone who is still interested. Maybe they could work with some of the other creative type communities ???
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Seems like years ago, I remember those discussions as well. Can it be rescued? The website is back, why is it back if nobody gives a damn?
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ENGAGEtokens.I guess it's quite possible there is renewed interest now with all the talk of diesel pools.
These diesel pools. Trading is free on hive.engine so then what is the point of all this? There are no rewards for providing liquidity (yet); am I missing something?
Until rewards are implemented the only "point" for liquidity providers to do it is for a token/tribe owner to improve the "overall market quality" of their token. As for a point on using it to buy and/or sell, once cross-tokens pools (:) get created (right now it still just have SWAP.HIVE: pools) one could trade from one token to another without having to sell token "A" (getting SWAP.HIVE) and then buying token "B" with it. Also, when that happens there will probably be market-markers trading those markets and making sure "market pools prices" are close to "normal market prices".
I think that's something for the token distributers to sort out!
Glad I got 75k of these.... Win some lose some I guess!
You're glad.. do I detect some good old-fashioned British sarcasm within? 😀. I have a feeling it may resurge..
Well detected. I'm not selling and do curate on the site, when it's running. Might as well keep hold and see.
I'm not selling either (not any more of them). I stuck this post on their discord (not that anyone responds there either!).
Can't sell over 10,000 CCC token worth 6$ I mean what will 6$ do for you? I just feel we'd have tribes that will eventually do well and some that wouldn't. It's about having structure, a framework that makes the token sought after. Sadly it hasn't turned out well for the tribe owners.
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Oh, I don't want to sell them, I want it to kickstart again. It was great (for a while) and had loads of potential.
Yeah, I have some of the token too and I didn't sell, let's how it goes with CCC, I mean it might be down but not out.
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I think its now just a toy token for people to accumulate and play with I guess. I know some of the projects and tokens on HIve are on a downer but have you had a look at Steem Engine recently? The Koreans don't seem to be interested in tokens at all!
@appics is still running but they are moving onto the Telos Blockchain 'soon' (although like all their other plans seem to take until the end of time to materialise) and there is still a market for DEC but other than that...
If you think about all the other projects and DApps we've loved and lost, during our time here, it's really sad but such is the nature of the beast I guess.
So let's raise our glasses to @tasteem, @partiko, that Quora thing, that replacement of that Quora thing, @letseat and heaven knows whatever else I've forgotten (not @dlike!) and try and support the great tribes, communities and tokens we have now!
I miss your restaurant reviews, only time I got to see decent, proper English food :-(
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I had a look on steem.engine, they don't like tokens much as you say. I have 4k PHOTO tokens staked.., you want to buy them after they power down (takes 10 months or so?).
Thanks... I have 3 ready to go (at least the images), they are around a year old now. I might have to ditch them. @tasteem isn't coming back, I think we can all agree there.
I wish we could get in touch with them and offer to buy the domain and everything. It was a genuine usecase for the blockchain and very professional in appearance.
AS for the tokens, I nulled most of the shit ones on Hive and Steem as they just made the page look messy. I'm still waiting for Aggy to allow us to remove blank lines from the wallet page.
Weren't the photo tokens from @derangedvisions too ? or that other photo guy who's still peddling his comps and stuff on Steem? @axeman I think.
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There is a case for a replacement @tasteem. @grampo was doing something once, but I think it got left in Vancouver, !WINE.
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Steem Engine still exists? I thought they lost the domain to someone else?
It's .NET, not .COM... I thought so, too... (if that's what you were referring to).
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Ahhh makes sense.
Seems to me that what is most often the nature of the beast is that things seem like a great idea and then the "instigators" discover just how much relentless work and time it takes to get from point A to point B.
If you look at Khal & crew with LeoFinance, they pretty much live, eat, breathe and sleep LeoFinance... and that's often what it takes to build something... if it were easy, everyone would be doing it!
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I absolutely agree. It would be a different ball game if the prices were high and people could see a decent return on their efforts. The most valuable resource we have is our time!
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I remember now
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how sad that is especially when you have involved in it. Imagine what would happen if leo out of nowhere did the same...
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Hive hustlers is an example of a coin that can be revived if someone is willing to put in the time. @thelogicaldude took over after @nulledgh0st didn't have enough time between other projects to keep the project rolling, Now it's become a mining coin for COM and linked up into a large group of similar coins all working together, List, Hustler, COM.
So yeah the coin can absolutely be revived if only someone committed time to it.
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I can see it's active but doing very poorly price-wise. No movement at all in the last 24-hours. It's this one right? !WINE
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But that can also lower the treshold for a new whale to enter. So I think the token price don't have to be a symbol of a dead community. It can still be revived with the right people!
Yeah that's the one, There is also HustlerM as well. I probably should have used 'reviving' as the correct term as that's more or less where it's at, Market action is low right now but action in discord and the community is starting to pick up a bit.
EDIT: this whitepaper for COM should explain the use case for hustler and hustlerM, they are basically mining tokens for COM now. https://www.hivelist.org/hivecommerce/@thelogicaldude/hivecommerce-token-white-paper
The HUSTLER dollar is also now the payout token for the HiveHustlers scotbot tag.
Price of a token is not what makes a community. That community is just being revised. The scotbot and nitrous sites have just been created and a new bridge site has been built to try and bring in new members as well as to have an off chain community and resource library. We need to look at the actual fundamentals of a project and what they are trying to do before dismissing them because if the token movements.
I'm not dismissing your token, that's just what I see from my perspective. I wish you all the best.
I get it, but I feel like that is a big issue overall. Too much focus on price, and too many scorned users, lol. That’s why we need fresh blood, in a bad way.
I hope you know what you are getting yourself into (after seeing the reply from @swelker101 on this post). I will buy some HUSTLER tokens... just to show my support.
Oh I completely agree with that statement he gave. It's not easy at all and have learned allot with creating @hivelist as well. It takes allot, but I have a vision and dedicated to the cause, so I am running with it. Yes, running everything solo is a nightmare, but that's what community is about, and even though it is small at the moment, they are very dedicated and willing to help. But hey, it's all an experiment and we are all just trying to find out place. If it doesn't work out, then back to the drawing board with a CRAP TON more knowledge than what I had when I started.
Thanks for the support!
I used the tag once and was told that I wasn't supposed to use it. I never looked back at that point. It was a pretty crappy first impression of the group. Unless they apologize or do something to change my mind, good riddance.
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Yeah. I got in a pissing match with them about their 'standards'. They DV'd a friend that did a movie review and used CC tag. Said that movie reviews weren't up to the standards of CC. Music reviews were fine but movie reviews were shit. Promised a list of approved subjects. Never happened. I gave everyone I had, bought or earned to Soyrosa. That's how you know when I am good and pissed, I give stuff with value away.
Yeah, to me it seemed more like you had to be the right person not so much have the right content. "Quality" was a fluid concept depending on who you were.
EXACTLY.
Blimey.., a lot of discontentment with you and @bigtom13, I had no idea! I thought it was just creative writing and photography. I do remember some tussles between a few people, and the use of that downvote account that all the tribes used at the time, @no-ccforyou or something. !WINE.
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Yeah, they can shove off :) Ain't nobody got time for that kind of disrespect. I think honestly there was a lot of gray area in terms of what was acceptable and what wasn't. You might have had one faction holding strong to the only fiction and photography stance and then another that really could consider anything creative writing. That disconnect led to downvotes and then stuff not getting downvoted that was really no different from the other downvoted post. Thus discontent and disdain. Sending a clear message with guidelines and not just becoming a huge circle jerk would have been a better move on their part.
Creative Coin is the precise reason that I will miss the entire possibility of the Diesel Pools. I don't trust the owner. The next individual or group he shits squarely on won't be the first. I could just present the farm game and rest my case but will go on a little. That money grab was just darn near exquisite.
Hive engine lives, and possibly is reasonably close to thriving inspite of it all. It does give every one of the coins constructed under the cover of HE a place to be bought and sold. After a fashion. Do not misunderstand, I use it myself.
They've had some really great ideas that have just been left to flounder in the dust beside the road to the next shiny object.
Farmer Farm.., I took little notice of it at the time, and hindsight tells me that was the correct thing to do.
https://hive-engine.com/?p=market&t=FARM
Yes, I know what you mean, wasn't there another game that followed it? Mystic something or other. We do need more decentralization though, I have to agree with you.
Feel free to make an offer or send people that may be interested in taking over an offer. A ton of time is needed for these to be successful. More time than one person can do on their own while working full time. A dedicated team is needed, and that's where the difficulties come in.
It cost well over $1000 to initially set-up and get rolling. At first everyone is on board and wanting to help, but without the ability to pay wages, interest from the team usually wanes. The move to HIVE is where things fell apart. Some team members just left, some were trying to launch their own tribes, and some just were never around. The plan to moderate the tag is still a good idea in my mind, but quickly turns into a full-time job. We couldn't seem to get everyone on the same page on what was or was not allowed, and many nights were spent just removing votes or smoothing over how it was presented.
And without a suite of tools or access to a coder, it's near impossible to implement any ideas that you may have.
Once the terms of moving the tribe came out, I wasn't going to move CC, but changed my mind since the community seemed to like it. As I stated above, that's when the wheels came off on the back-end.
So as of now the website is hosted for a monthly charge, and the yearly fee to keep the domain is the only other monetary cost.
So I would happily turn the reigns over to someone that would attempt to solve the issues, but no one has asked to do so or made any offers. Until then, it will stay up and running in its present form which sucks, but is the reality of the time and resources I have available.
Thanks for taking the time to respond Shane, I feel many of us were hoping that CCC would come alive one day. I am in no position to take it over, but at least we can now see the position you are in.
I also appreciate the reply @swelker101; thanks for taking the time!
I guess I "still care" because this was one of my top three picks for communities that would signficantly impact the future of Hive.
I saw here, the potential for something to do a parallel thing for artists/creatives/musicians to what LeoFinance has done for the financial/crypto niche.
Yes, it takes a LOT of work; I've built communities before (not on the blockchain) and it's tough when it's essentially built entirely on sweat equity. And you do need a dedicated team... for something like this probably 8-12 people. Last project I worked on ended with an active user base of about 18,000 and we had as many as 28 volunteer "staff" members...
Tangentially related, there really is a potential business here for an ambitious coder/developer to build custom skins/front ends for tribe and communities on the Hive Blockchain.
Whereas I can lend cheerleading power and time, I can't take on a project like this... although there's another community (without a front end or token) I know well who could potentially "merge" with CCC and create something. But again, the technical and coding know-how would be the missing link... what we really need around here is someone independent with the programming/usability/design skills of @steemchiller from back on Steem.
Regardless, I'll put some feelers out, because I'd hate to see this community just slowly fade away...
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Hi. I run a writing and learning website called Silly Linguistics. We make language learning material and stuff about languages. I used to be a programmer. I actually have a masters degree in computer science. I find the internet fascinating and love how people can make their own stuff and make money doing it.
I have a bunch of people who are super passionate about writing and we publish a magazine every month where we show cool stuff about words and languages.
I don't know what is involved in running a HIVE tribe but I am super passionate about online content and want to know what is involved because where there is a will there is a way.
I have spent the last few years building up my online presence. I have about 500 000 followers on Facebook where we talk about languages and linguistics.
I started buying CCC a while ago and I regularly buy CCC to help the price of the CCC community. If there is anything I can do to help out please let me know. I have a lot of knowledge of programming and online tech. Also I work with a lot of very talented creators and have contacts with a lot of programmers and tech enthusiasts. I am sure we can find a way to make CCC work.
As I recall, the original INTENT was for the Creative Coin Community to be a hub for artists, musicians and other creatives on
SteemitHive.Typically content covered
And I think there might have been a few others.
Content was actively curated and moderated for relevance and yes, there were a few skirmishes with people who felt they should be allowed to post "whatever," and there were questions of the "freedom" of a blockchain community. Which always leads me back to the simple question of WHY someone would join a knitting club to talk about car repair?
Because "Creativity" covers a wide range, the "heading" invites sub-communities, for example along the lines of the list, above.
So far, the only Hive community (that I know of) that has somewhat done this successfully is Natural Medicine, which also has a Spanish language subgroup, a "Homesteading" subgroup, an affiliation with the "Abundance" tribe and so on. They have an 8-member team, an active Hive community page AND their own front end; four distinct weekly curation posts/areas and regular community initiated contests/challenges. It's an interesting group in that they have 2900 subscribers, but not a super-large flow of posts because it's very niche.
Anyway, just thinking out loud, for the moment...
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As a music and photo lover CCC is always part of my posts in that area, a shame I just fine-tuned my CCC voting moving forward, hope someone is taking over as apart from LEO and Sports this is my first to go to tribe.
I do wonder how much value all these staked tokens really add. It seems only LEO is really worth much and maybe because their dapp has actually seen development. I don't visit the other token dapps like the Sports one as I can see stuff on peakd anyway. I'm happy enough to take what I can get from them, but I don't worry too much about posting to optimise the tokens.