Hive Vs Ethereum: Burning Money

By now, almost all of us are aware of the hard fork that took place with Ethereum this week. It is part of the process that is converting that blockchain from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake. One of the things that was implemented was a token burn.

In this article, we will contrast what was done with what the SpkNetwork is going to do. Also, it will be laid out why this might be a mistake.

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The main idea with the Ethereum shift is to burn part of the transaction fees. This will reduce the outstanding supply if the network is active enough, helping to increase the value of the token.

It is the same mindset that leads to stock buybacks. The idea is to make the distribution more scarce, thus raising the price. It also offsets the inflation rate of the token.

While this is good for ownership of an asset, it is a really bad model to follow for a currency. The elasticity should be dependent upon economic conditions, not what is the best way to raise the price of the token.

Deflationary Conditions

Ethereum arrived there in a different manner yet it could be setting itself up to mirror Bitcoin.

Since Bitcoin is capped, something that Ethereum is not, it ends up being a deflationary asset. If people were going to use only it as transactional currency, the economy would collapse. The reason is HODLers. We would see a miniscule velocity of the currency which already happened.

An economy will not flourish if people are holding onto money. This ends up creating a liquidity issue. There simply is not enough money floating around. With Bitcoin, since it is deflationary, the value keeps growing. Hence the amount of an item that is received will grow over time. This is fine since people will still purchase necessities. However, if the value of Bitcoin is appreciating at a greater rate than other asset classes, which it does, then little would flow into them.

The Ethereum economy could be facing a potentially similar situation. Since it will be regularly burning coins, this means that the amount of Ethereum available should decline especially as the network expands. That is the goal anyway.

We already see a large portion of it locked up. When we see deflationary environments of this nature, it does not lead to economic expansion. It does appear that Ethereum could release more coins if needed since there is no hard cap, so they could work around this issue.

However, when you think about it, they are burning money, something that people are celebrating.

SpkNetwork's Revolutionary Idea

Why burn money? Isn't that something that is needed especially considering we are challenging the established financial system which has trillions?

This is where what SpkNetwork is developing is so powerful. We see from the SpkNetwork light paper the introduction of the Service Infrastructure Pool (SIP).

The main premise here is to reduce the number of coins in circulation, similar to Ethereum. However, unlike that project, this is not burning the tokens.

A token burn destroys them forever. It is literally akin to burning money. Most engage in this to make the token more valuable. Yet, as stated, if the growth is there, this can quickly reverse itself.

With the SIP, the idea is to use DeFi to enhance the entire network. Instead of destroying, it actually puts the tokens to use. Any Hive that enters the SIP is effectively locked away.

Hive enters the SIP through the purchase of miners and advertising. The former is the foundation for the network since the miners trigger everything. Therefore, Hive is used to keep the system operating due to the fact that miners will need to be bought on a regular basis.

Here we see where the Hive, unlike a burn, still have value. By tying it to DeFi via liquidity pools, it not only provides utility but also generates payouts to the supporters of the network.

In other words, the Hive locked up is still providing value. The payouts could be used to fund different projects that end up adding even more to the network. Over time, this keeps feeding itself.

Of course, this is not a novel concept since it is what the wealthy have always used. The phrase the rich get richer holds because they use the money they have to create more wealth.

The SIP does the same thing for both the Speak AND Hive networks. By not burning the Hive but, rather, putting it to use, it is able to tokenize the growth of the network. This feeds both networks, producing a nice closed-loop system at this level.

Incentive For Inclusion

Since the Hive is still in operation, generating payouts, there is incentive for newer people to join. When tokens are burned, the usefulness is gone. Inflation is a way to enhance the network effect that is taking place.

If newer individuals do not get rewarded, they will not participate. This is especially true in an environment where other opportunities are offering returns.

Scarcity is a model we all know too well. It is the entire premise of our economic and financial system. This started to change with the introduction of digitization and the Internet. Suddenly, things became abundant since something digital has few limitations. It tends to be abundant.

For example, there is no limit to the supply of a digital file such as a song. A store could do 100 downloads, or 1 billion. Once the file is up, the downloads are only limited by bandwidth.

Abundance makes for inclusion. The present system fails so many because the concept of scarcity means that many are excluded. We need to be mindful of trying to replicate the same system in an effort to pad the wallets of a few of the early adopters.

Ethereum will do just fine. It is likely opening itself to follow the path of Bitcoin, at least to a degree. We will probably see it end up being taken over by Wall Street. They will use the scarcity to gobble up what they can. The fee structure is already pushing things in that direction anyway so it might not be much of a change.

In the end, the SIP is going to keep using the Hive that enters the pool for productive purposes. This will help the network to grow while also providing incentive for people to keep participating.

We will see the success of these different platforms coming down to the economic activity that is generated on them. For this reason, all will have to navigate the fine line of what is the proper amount of currency at the base layer. This is exclusive of the mooning idea so it is not concentrated upon.

That said, nothing will enhance the token value like a thriving economy on the network. The model is changing, something Amazon and Facebook showed us. The digital world is much different from the physical. Here we see the move from scarcity to abundance.


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I never thought of burning as a good solution to "fight" inflation in the crypto world. But it appears so widely supported as a good thing. Like you, I believe inflation is not a problem, as long as growth (potential) is higher.

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I used to think it was a good thing because I saw people speaking highly about it all the time.

Now that I'm digging deeper in the crypto world, it doesn't sound so good anymore

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it is somewhat good and bad but let us hope for its improvement in future

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I agree you need the potential to be high if not hive might not be where it is right now

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Yeah, I believe burning is a less creative way to deal with excess tokens at a certain time. SPK network shows one better way, more profitable.

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yeah tell me about it

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Well the reason burning is more attractive is because in my opinion cryptocurrency still hasn't effectively proven itself outside of a pyramid.. ponzi like scheme for the most part. Not in every case but alot of the market is driven primarily on price gains.. That's almost the total motivation over use. When you have that .. that generally signifies you need that because you don't really have the value to support the price. So inflationary projects will mostly expediate the negative outcome of over inflating a crypto. So then in that case burning could only be a good thing. Now i do agree the simple mathematics of reducing supply is a very basic approach to a complex problem. However inflationary projects more often than not will destroy a project provided they have very little numbers or growth. If you really wanna have a slow network make it a membership site or one based primarily on money. Unfortunately in crypto the go to position is money over use. So when prices drop networks seem to take a drop as well. So in the cases you have that burning would have to offset that to a degree.

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I think both burning tokens and locking up tokens are good. With Ethereum, though, if there was no burn put in place with the migration to POS where would miner fees go? A couple possibilities - the ETH that would have gone to miners gets redistributed to holders which would be insanely expensive with fees. The ETH gets locked in a contract for developer use, but that could lead to heavy centralization. I think the burn is the best scenario in Ethereum's case.

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I agree with the token burns not being good for keeping ETH as a base currency for the network. As for the Spknetwork, its an interesting idea. Do you know which type of Defi pools they want to deposit the HIVE into?

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It will be their tokens. The SIP is to provide liquidity for the LARYNX, BROCA, and SPEAK tokens.

That way people have a way to trade them.

Hive is the external token that will be paired with them.

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Very informative. I particularly like that you show how different currencies are following different paths, something fiat currency cannot do. Having a currency tied to specific functionality or a category of function leaves a wide array of opportunity for groups (communities) to create their own and have value in the global market. I think an excellent example is the recent article about the city of Miami issuing it's own crypto this month using the CityCoin platform. I suspect that we will be seeing a lot more of this.

Blessed be.

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Innovation is certainly something we are seeing in cryptocurrency. This is where the real value will be derived from.

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I'm really looking forward to all the development that is taking place regarding the SPK Network. In fact, I might have to read their light paper again because I think I know more about crypto now than I did when I first read it.

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I might have to read their light paper again because I think I know more about crypto now than I did when I first read it.

That is probably a good idea. I will have to do it also. I know a lot more about the project now than I did when it came out.

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ETH is like Gas,

Hive is like Solar energy.

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I wish you said Hive is like rocket fuel.

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gas you burn 1 time and it's gone :) Solar recharges and we can use it again :)

Rocket fuel? Hive is like cold fusion :) unlimited energy :P

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I am happy with this hard fork and like hive I this by offer staking and burn of currency will allow it to further improve
but of course, the crypto team need to be good for it to grow and glow

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Dude it seems to me that you are unaware of PULSE chain, which is Richard Hearts fork of ETH with system state, making it the biggest airdrop in history:

25% of fee burning.
DPOS
extremely low fees
3 second blocks

This hardfork had a sacrifice phase that is over now and we are waiting for the PULSEchain to launch.

It seem to me that Vitalic was aware of the threat from PULSE and finally made the 2.0 happen? I dont know, just my guess.

ETH 2.0 is "only" POS right? Whereas PULSE is DPOS... so it going to be exiting to see how this plays out.

I think Hive Engine should work on solution whereas there is no trust involved for their contracts and they could beat the whole market with 0 fees!

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Yes we will see how it goes. Of course that is just another in a long line of Ethereum Killers. Maybe Heart is onto something, we shall see.

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I know there are many ETH forks, but PULSE is different, because he airdropped system state and has the most appreciating crypto in 2020 HEX as a community that also love PULSE.

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EOS was also touted as having a huge community plus the best token distribution ever.

Again, we will see but there have been a ton of Ethereum Killers over the past few years.

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Yes the EOS story was weird, I expected it to go up in price a lot, never happened and today no normal person use it, right? Isnt EOS almost a dead coin by now?

I really like Hive / Hive Engine, as it host LasseCash my product, that I work on day and night, but I just recognize that HEX and Richard Heart had the best price performance in the last 1-2 years and expect something similar for PULSE.

I dont think PULSE will kill ETH, it will take load of from it and enrich the ETH holders further, is what I expect.

But I mostly have HEX and LasseCash...

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While the burning method may not be the best way to go for Ethereum it will have a tremendous effect on the price of the token, I’m not sure how it will effect new users coming in, but if they are sure that there will be a steady price growth as a result of the burns I guess they wouldn’t mind. We are yet to see the influence of the EIP on the fee structure. Last I checked there wasn’t much difference yet

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I would say it will help token price, that is what burns do. How will it affect the entire system? We will see.

Enough development and growth there to really make it into something.

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A lot of this goes over my head! Scarcity to abundance does resonate tho!! Also, if Etherium forked, that means my tokens doubled. Love that! Just need to figure out what to do now!! Lol Hope you're enjoying summer Task 🌼

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It wasnt a fork where there were two chains hence two tokens. This was similar to the Hard Fork Hive had a month ago which was nothing more than an update.

Ethereum did the same thing, basically updating the code albeit making a much larger move.

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It was a good exercise, the impact of the hard fork has been impressive on Ethereum. I have seen my ETH and a couple of ERC20 tokens has increased value especially on my trusted https://atomicwallet.io/ multi-coin application

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The excitement around ETH burning is a bit exaggerated IMO.

Rough estimates are that we will see 2M ETH burned next year but 4.8M ETH will be issued that same year.

ETH is still inflationary...

I can see Hive beating ETH in the sense of Daap deployment and usability. Free transactions are always better than a few bucks per transaction.

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Ethereum has been a good way to invest your savings for years, but now the hive has more performance and stability.

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Am happy to be part of this community but it will take some lot of strengths to voice out to lot of my country peeps because we both are now scared of every earning site out there because we presume that they are all Ponzi scheme which will break down at little run. But with time it be everywhere and people will be aware of Hive everywhere

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That,s good. BNB is the pioner in this strategic of burning coins and it is going very well.

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