Downvote Removal Would be Like a Wild Wild West
I was reading a post from @trostparadox on POB tribe where he mentioned a post from @scooter77, asking why not remove downvoting all together .
Users like @themarkymark and @onealfa showed their concern. He said @onealfa threatened or promised to spam the Proofofbrain tribe by saying,
If enough (50+%) ppl vote now to prohibit downvotes on overvalued rewards. If this happens, I will go to my next door neighbour, active photographer, who is still posting his photos on steem/appics, will tell him to come back to hive & POB, and will put him on my autovoter.
We will play by rules, no plagiarism, no NSFW, nothing unauthorized.I wonder under which excuse "antidownvoters" will stop us.
They have a weight in their concern. I mean if let's say downvoting is removed from ProofOfBrain tribe all together then users have no fear in their heart and will continue spamming, plagiarizing and do things that goes against the rules of the tribe.
I wonder how will they be stopped then? By muting them? I don't think so muting is the answer to this. To me this will solely change the whole meaning of decentralization.
Centralization will come into effect if the founder itself try to interfere in things happening throughout the community. And we don't want that. We want the founder to be unbiased as much as he can.
Let the tribe itself decide for itself. Yeah the founder can interfere when things are uncontrollable and that can damage the tribe.
Downvoting is a weapon that is used by users against the culprits. And I think this right should never be snatched from the tribe. Yes sometimes downvote abuse do probably take place but that is another topic which also needs to be taken into consideration.
Removing downvoting would be like a wild wild west. I fully support concerns from @onealfa and @themarkymark regarding downvote removal.
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Exactly!
I wonder how the "DV-removers" imagine they will be able to fight against abusers, leeches, malicious players? With the MUTE button, and the MUTE keys in the hands of ONE SINGLE person?
Does anyone at all believe the tribe founder will ever share his account's keys with anyone else on this planet ? You do? Seriously?
You want this level of centralization???
With DV button in the hands of every participant, we have some certain level of self-regulation. Do you want to remove this totally, and leave everything up to the mercy of ONE SINGLE person? A person who have enough reasons to be 100% anonymous? What are his secret, long term plans?
Instead of abstract warnings "there may be a powerful abuser(whale) one day, which you possibly will have to stop somehow", I said - this whale is HERE, already, TODAY, and he knows how to do BAD things. And there will be more, many more of such abusers. Just open the gates for them.
It is not "IF", its only "when"
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Exactly
Hello sir, How are you? Greetings 🙏😊What's your take on Auto-voting and Self Voting?
I do not think these two actions should get a 100% TABU.
Both voting bots and selfvoting is OK to me, AS LONG (!) as it not exceeds 10-12% of the total amount of distributed voting power (so % is based on how many rewards were distributed, not numerical quantity of votes).
At the same time I believe there can not be any kind of justification, if this type of votes is above 40%
The downvote option is one of the reason that drew me to joining hive, and is incorporated into my sales pitch when I talk about this platform in regards to plagiarism, shit posting, and false information.. and how the downvote is ment to "punish" folks monetarily for their poor choices, but that their content can never be removed,and that they have to live with it forever, which makes (hopefully) the thought process before hitting the send button, be a little bit more carefully thought out..
The only thing I would probably remove on Hive is auto votes. That's when everything will become organic when it comes to content creation and curation. Downvotes have their value as long as they're wisely used. Everything that's abused becomes malicious, that going both ways, from the content creation point of view and curation.
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Yes I am also against auto upvotes.
Removing downvotes is like having a city without law or police, where many idiots would come and damage our blockchain and we would see a steemit again.
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Lol yeah
what all you are ignoring is that downvoting makes a post less viewable and the is censorship or filtering content in a way, so why should one person's opinion impact what other users are even shown?
Removing the downvote option would be an absolute disaster!
We can speak of "freedom" to our hearts' content, but no matter what kind of system you set up — from this blockchain social channel to a neighborhood farmer's market — if there are no "rules" to discourage manipulative behavior and exploitation, you end up with absolute chaos!
It's nice to speculate on how a community should "self-regulate," but the reality of how (some) human beings operate is that it's a very quick trip to a toxic variation of Gresham's Law... in this case, if spammers and plagiarizers were left unchecked, they would soon enough cause the legitimate content creators to leave in disgust, leaving behind a mess nobody but the spammers and abusers would want to be part of.
You'd have all the "freedom" you could ask for... AND you would have a token worth $0.00000001 to show for it!
=^..^=
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the truth is that downvoting cannot be removed from this community, because removing it is like encouraging plagiarism. Now when this is removed how then do you think we can curb plagiarism?
as per ceiling reward i dont think this is a fantastic the only probem i have is the issue of autovoting which i discuss with @venpromundo and @onealfa concerning someone who posted an article and later cancel it which was given a 10pob due to auto voting while someone who was given 1.2pob after a tireless time of writing an article.
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I stopped posting on hive months ago because of downvoting and not because I have been downvoted, but because I think downvoting has been broken from the start. All the aspects of downvoting are the understandable distribution of funds evenly I get, what I don't understand and will never be convinced of is that downvoting content makes it less visible to users who never downvoted it, why? Why have this aspect why give whales or anyone the power to make someone else's content less visible?