Hive Owned By Companies and HiveWatchers - How They Like To Play

From nada to a bit of #disclosure

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Fuck your source!

I am blacklisted for rephrasing part of an article.
No plagiarism. Not rephrasing the whole article, just some info that was needed.

Doing months of posting, shilling about Hive, engaging and helping front-end creators on Hive, promoting Hive as much as possible, etc.

While others are easily forgiven for having secondary accounts, posting the same content in another language on other accounts, farming votes and comments, doing lots of self-votes...it's all on their discord, they have permanently blacklisted my account after I have taken part of the info from an article from online news and rephrased it.
Where dfk do you take your news from?
Don't you rephrase a piece of information when you want to tell it to someone?

Anyway, I have asked them directly yesterday if I can still post from my @regenerette account. They said Yes. Sure.
I have asked them if I will be downvoted, this was their answer:

"Your rewards are not guaranteed at any time, blacklist or no blacklist. You will be up and downvoted until the community arrives at the proper value for your posts.
You will not get auto votes on every post but on some as possible." Nice and unclear for a punctual question.

Today, they have unvoted my article again. An article where I was thanking the Hive community for being here for me through hard times.

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But hey! They haven't stopped here. They have even blacklisted my first Hive account @regeneretta for what?
I have told them 2 times that I have mentioned MY OWN WEBSITE on one of those articles there and the info was from my own site. From March to now they haven't had the decency to check this information but now they decided to blacklist that account as well.

WHY THEY SMELL LIKE SHIT SO MUCH?

Why would @hivewatchers deserve the value of your votes when they come and grab it from our posts?
Why are they blacklisting accounts in an instant without being FAIR and for others like Cranium they just close their eyes and give them a free pass?

Does this smell like @decentralization?

I FEEL THAT I lie to people on Twitter that #HiveFixesThis? That it is a different space where your voice will be heard? @HIVEHIRO, DON'T INVITE ME TO SHILL ABOUT HIVE ANYMORE ON TWITTER. My eyes are opened and won't drag others in this shitty, dangerous place.
You think I'm crazy?
Keep reading and maybe this article will make a single ? MARK pop into your mind at least!
When Hivewatchers do this to the people that engage, promote, want to bring their communities in Hive like I wanted to this just disappointing. ## It doesn't look like decentralization.
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When I have clear evidence that at least 1 tribe in Hive belongs to a company that has had a bad internet reputation on the market for more than 20 years, which has been reported to the FBI, it makes me think who owns some of the tribes and is this decentralization?

Want to stay ignorant about what happens to me, with others on Hive and with who owns what?

Do it. It pays off good.

WANT TO WAKE TO FUCK UP?

Read and do your research.
They will say it's bogus.

Choopa and Vultr, their child company: https://umbrella.cisco.com/blog/phishing-spiking-and-bad-hosting

Registration of www.proofofbrain.io
https://webrate.org/index.php/site/proofofbrain.io/ and belonging:
Proofofbrain.io belongs to AS-CHOOPA - Choopa, LLC, US
~scroll down the page

Information about Choopa-Choopa, the company that owns legally POB:
https://webrate.org/index.php/asn/20473

Fraud and Scam – Choopa Choopa:
https://scamalytics.com/ip/isp/choopa
https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/choopa-llc/kassel-other-34121/choopa-llc-tried-to-hack-my-discord-account-kassel-hesse-1406491
https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/choopa-llc/matawan-new-jersey-07747/choopa-llc-gameserverscom-hackers-matawan-new-jersey-1198537

Bruteforce attack made by Choopa: https://bannedhackersips.blogspot.com/2017/12/fail2ban-ssh-banned-209250240128-from.html
It sends the ticket to David brother who is still in Germany: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004990098219&sk=photos
A simple Twitter account, yet the company can be found almost everywhere in the world through different addresses and servers:
https://twitter.com/choopa
@onealfa and others from Hive is following their newer company on Twitter: https://twitter.com/vultr
Onealfa has this info about POB for more than 2 weeks from me. After I had sent it to him he became all quiet.
I never had anything with the man or with his strategy.
And also only gave him access to 10% of the info that I have about Hive and POB.

Next, Instead of being on trial, the guy who owns the company behind POB and others, is creating and owning new ones, some that you might even follow, just like others from Hive do.
Choopa and Vultr, their child company: https://umbrella.cisco.com/blog/phishing-spiking-and-bad-hosting
THANK YOU, IN-CACHE!👇👇👇👇👇
FBI Page that should have had the report about David, The Choopa brain and 1st founder in Germany, but the site goes directly to an FBI front page without the info being there anymore, it is just indexed and cached in Google search.
https://www.miletx.com/the-cyanohydrax-report-spammers-only/
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Who is behind Proofofbrain (owner as I have found out), Choopa and more:
https://rocketreach.co/david-gucker-email_34849198
https://www.vultr.com/company/our-team/
https://twitter.com/wwwadict
https://www.constant.com/company/about-us/
The Constant Company, LLC is the main and first company of David, owning Choopa

ALISON GIANOTTO
Me and some other people know you play the POB discord as you please while others have no idea who is hiding behind your nickname. You're also playing the game in POB, along with others from Loopa.

Don't know who is Alison Gianotto?
Do your research!
She's all into David, his coimpanies, crypto, white hacking, owning 100000 servers as she stated in POB discord as well.

There are lots to be said about what Hive really is and so many things that have been discovered.

But who cares about this info?

W**ho really cares about the bigger games done in Hive and who Hive belongs to and who manipulates the market, who gathers data, AND how much of HIVE is really a lie when it comes to values as #freespeech and #decentralization. **

Would you care if I told you that Hive bought Bitcoin minners 1 year back and showed you how it did it?
Would you care if I told you that you are paying UK gas just by posting in Hive, voting, etc.?

Would you care if I told you that each wallet you're sending your Hives to and transaction from Hive is carefully revised and kept under observation for each country?

Wake up!

This i just some light info I am giving you now and don't have any intention to do your work.

In respect to your intelect and intelligence:

  • I shall not engage with any comments
  • I know it's more important what you tell yourself out of this, than what you can write to me or to others
  • I urge you to disseminate from the comments your will see at this post. There are free bees buzzing around and there are sold souls functioning as "dizzy bees, the true believers" and there are others who DON'T WANT YOU TO TRUST ANY OF MY WORDS.

You are paid, played, lied to, manipulated.
You own your keys while they own you!
LERN is genuine, CTP, Wearealive, Dunk

HIVE-DYSTOPIA, there will come a time when the whole truth about you will come to the surface.

COMMUNITY, unless you care what happens to each individual in here and you think you have some liberty and rights per se, you opt-in for their lies.

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LMAO, Choopa LLC is a fucking hosting company, you moron. They host thousands of sites, and hundreds of dedicated servers. Do you have any idea what those mean? I love conspiracy theorist nutjobs.

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Choopa LLC is a US-based company so you know those servers run on reversed engineered alien technology recovered from Roswell.

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OK, I didn't see any of this coming.

But let's be honest, lol. What you're spending in terms of internet subscription does it really amount to how much you earn on the blockchain?

Bla Bla Bla

I won't really care if I am paying for gas to the universe, I still go home with a bank roll 100x of what they (if it were true) could earn from me posting and voting here.

So choose one.

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So, it seems that you're the one milking here and not the other way around...hahaha

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A downvote to remove the POB earned since you don't actually care about it :)

No one gets hurt :)

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An upvote for logic that would make a Vulcan proud.

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Well... one things certain. If we want to maintain Hive as a decentralized censorship free (resistant?) solution... we need to have whistleblowers who are more interested in the truth than the crypto that slides nicely into their pockets.

I don’t know what to think about any of this but there are bread crumbs to follow and I hope their are bright brains following them to find answers.

Personally, my goal is to do my utmost to create a free, friendly, and fair (and safe!) digital environment to continue inviting my friends, family, and famous to.

There’s growing pains here on Hive... certainly there is. And we are only as good as the people within our community and the processes we implement.

Hive has substantial improvements to make on how it determines and processes its red flags. Black Listing needs much more work as it’s current implementation is centralized and unfriendly.

What if we were to all make use of our DPOS to vote on itemized case by case security breaches?

We have all decided to go down the road of decentralization... why not go all the way? Let’s give the DPOS system a real run for its money. Using our powered up Hive to ensure the right decisions are made.

Couldn’t Black List cases be first logged for vote and determination first? And what, exactly, does it mean to be black listed? Shouldn’t their be specified and gradual weight factored into that system?

Whatever the case... centralizing the policing of Hive is a mistake especially if we are decided that we want to market ourselves as a solution to centralization and censorship. If we are going to continue to aspire to a better more evolved way to human through social media... then we had absolutely better hold ourselves and our processes to a higher standard. @hivewatchers

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You confuse freedom of speech with freedom to scam.
The user kept refusing to stop plagiarism (stealing writings of other people to profiteer from it on Hive).
It has zero to do with censorship and freedom of speech.

He is a compulsive plagiarist who repeatedly kept scamming the Hive ecosystem with plagiarism on multiple accounts.
Even after being blacklisted once and then given a chance and be removed from the blacklisted, he continued to do so.

Scamming on account "regeneretta":

https://hive.blog/hive-160446/@regeneretta/just-read-this


Then moved to scam on alter account "regenerette" 2 months ago:

https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@regenerette/tether-usdt-officially-traded-on

https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@regenerette/crypto-music-mozik-moz-the-next-promising-nft-music-platform

https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@regenerette/btc-eth-and-doge-a

https://hive.blog/hive-150329/@regenerette/mind-body-and-soul-with-no-crypto-relationship

Scam post from 14 days ago:

https://hive.blog/leofinance/@regenerette/basketball-and-crypto-in-the-blockchain

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  1. "He" is a "she"...if you know who you're talking about.
  2. @regeneratta had NO plagiarism, that being the info from my own website as I told you MONTHS ago, but you didn't check your info, so there is no support to what you state or to the fact that you have blacklisted that account.
  3. You could not prove the plagiarism 2 months ago and you can not say a rephrasing done 14 days ago of part of a news is plagiarism. In any universe than yours.

Moreover, if you continue to threaten me, I shall make enough noise to be heard on all internet about what is happening in Hive. You have that while some people are working hard to promote Hive, you are putting it down. I'll help you if you continue with calling me names and launching threats.

https://ecency.com/hive/@regenerette/how-to-shut-up-hive

@crazyzombie @kyle @wil.metcalfe

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  1. "He" or "she" is irrelevant.
    We don't care about the gender of the scammer. If you think that we will treat someone differently because of their gender, you are wrong.

  2. You don't own any of these websites.
    Anyway, we asked for your verification that you own these websites and you refused to do so.
    As you keep claiming that you own these websites, so we ask once again.

To confirm your authorship of the content, could you please mention the word "Hive" in the websites that you plagiarised:

https://www.thesacredscience.com/the-hidden-benefits-of-meditation/

https://en.blogtienao.com/mozik-moz-coin/

https://bitcoin2freedom.com/

  1. Please quote where we threatened you with anything?
    We only said that you got blacklisted a second time (permanently this time) for scamming with plagiarism. You even admitted it yourself that in the most recent scam post you plagiarised the article by paraphrasing it.

"I shall make enough noise to be heard on all internet about what is happening in Hive. You have that while some people are working hard to promote Hive, you are putting it down. I'll help you if you continue with calling me names and launching threats."

Twisting the facts, using psychological projection, and self victimizing yourself to threaten us is not going to intimidate us.

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Identity of Any kind is important when adressing to someone.

Your threat on discord

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You have asked me to post Hive on my crypto website where every info that me and the team post is about the company and the transactions we do there. I told you Hive will Never appear on a site like ours focused in a single brand. That was for @regeneretta account. Instead, I have asked you to send a single email and check if the reply comes affirmatively or not related to the fact that the Content and the website is mine. If it wasn’t done how you wanted, it doesn’t mean I do not own the website or the Content posted with @regeneretta account.

You never asked me to post Hive in other places and I never stated I own other websites.

So Why is my @regeneretta account blacklisted again? Just because you haven’t checked the Support of your affirmatiins properly. IMC is our brand. Nothing gets published there just because Hivewatchers wants that. A simple email Could have made my statement reliable. But you prefer to leave it Like this for months.

You don’t need intimidations.
That’s Why you’ll get facts, regarding your presence in Hive.

Abusers like you with the power they’ve been given will, eventually, Vanish.

Once again, I do not agree with your behavior, threats that you will punish me in various ways for not complying with your decisions and so on.

I am done posting for a while and expect this to come back again from me or from others in a way. Sooner or later. Just making you aware that your approach is not reliable or needed in a decentralized ecosystem.

Twisting the reality and bending it while trying to install fear. Stealing the rewards without sharing them back to the community, aggressivity, taking sides, etc. These are just features of a complex manipulative and coercitive system.

As for the websites you are taking about and Kindly invite me to post Hive on them, no plagiarism was detected from there, I have clearly stated back then that using @regenerette account I have simply forgotten the source. Never stated they are mine. You have given me a free pass.
Ok. Why are you trying now to lead people into thinking that I have Said these are mine? Is this pass genuine Per se?

I’m not an idiot, no matter how hard you try to play this. It’s just making me help more the people in the system through various ways. Outside Hive and building on this on the future as Hive will suffer for your actions.

No need to answer. You like players, not people that Support Hive like I did for months.
You know Why you want me out, while you keep others in that don’t play by your rules on a daily basis.

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To @hivewatcher

That's not it at all @hivewatcher.

I think that, Yes, we do need measures in place for keeping scam behavior off our blockchain. This is how we maintain our brand and the integrity of this asset we are building... However! We need to do this in a way that also maintains the stability and friendliness of our communities.

The goal is right.

Keep scamming activities to an absolute minimum on the blockchain...

But I think, and with growing consensus from many others, that HOW we go about securing the blockchain's integrity matters just as much.

The methods we implement have also got to maintain the friendliness we have all worked so hard to create within our growing brand culture. To not consider this within our policies and practices is to undermine the hard work many of us are doing inviting people far and wide (Big and Small accounts) to do their social and community building on the Hive Blockchain.

Being the police, the judge, and the jury isn't the right approach to creating the stability we need to continue to grow in a sustainable way.

What I would be interested in is:

What, specifically, your response is in regards to @regenerette's counters to your accusations.

What do you have to say about her response? ...and will you concede to allowing the community to be the jury in deciding if you are indeed leveling legitimate acquisitions and labels?

In addition to this... You haven't answered or given me a decent response as to the method improvements that we could implement. What do you think about the ideas I tabled for improving the processes around identifying and dealing with plagiarism and such activities?

What I see is that @regenerette has done her utmost, as a new person here on Hive, to become a part of our blockchain and community. She is even directly taking the time and effort to counter, publicly, your accusations.

I think you owe her a proper explanation of your actions.

This isn't going away... The environment here on Hive needs to continue to be one that supports new accounts and people putting real effort in.

If @regenerette is indeed telling the truth... what consequences should be leveled against you and your actions and accusations?

Is there room for you to be wrong because I think she's given some pretty solid rational for why the content she originally made use of was also found on another site. (hers!)

I myself have multiple websites with content that I have taken time and even spent money to create. Should I be punished for making use of my own content?

In addition to this... At what point does information gathered from a source translate into plagiarism when it is filtered, colored, utilized, measured, and ultimately dispensed by another?

Does this mean that we are ONLY in the role of making up our own news and discoveries and are NOT able to glean what we may from other people's thought process's and news reals? I mean there's pure and unadulterated information in it's purest sense... but then there is everything else which is most of what we see and read on the internet and books. Learnings stacked upon learnings like a blockchain of discovery! So directly copying word for word... YES! That's something we should never allow unless in small bits and by quoted sources... We all learned this in University 101 didn't we?!

So you can see how this is a very slippery slope and it's could easily turn into something a lot like judging figure skating in the Olympics. Opinions with consequences attached.

We have simply got to take the time to build a proper case before leveling blind accusations and this is why no one person should ever be able to have this amount of sole authority, especially on a platform that prides it's self in being censorship resistant and decentralized.

To add to this insight... this why, in the past, I have made suggestions that we default to software solutions so as to establish a percentage of word comparisons. That way the software it's self can identify the acts of plagiaristic activity and rather than one of us taking on the role of police, judge, and jury we can defer to an automated report that generated to pare with the incident report. Then this report can be voted upon with peoples powered up Hive.

This is the true power of DPoS and we should maximize it at every opportunity.

Another point to be considered:
Let's be honest here... If we are all doing our jobs properly in telling our friends, family members, and famous about Hive we are rapidly going to expand to the point where we have a multitude of new (and excited/exciting) people on our Hive Blockchain.

There is going to be a point (quickly) where it is going to be impossible to police Hive using the methods you have been using... This is only going to spread risk throughout the system and also your going to have gaps and unfriendly outcomes that will compound from them.

The level of thinking that's gotten us to this point will certainly NOT get us to the next level.

If you are right or wrong in your assessment of this situation means little to what needs to be done to improve how we go about dealing with plagiaristic behaviors going forward.

This way of thinking about solving the problem is the equivalent to painting ourselves into a corner.

This is why I am advocating for @regenerette. (And I believe that there are others like her as well... So this has all got to be said.)

I honestly think that she is sincere in her desire to contribute in wholesome ways to our community and blockchain. I don't think that your determination can be the end all be all... and if it is... then this practice isn't sufficient and will need to change, adapt, and improve... If it does not there will certainly be all sorts of consequences for us all.

A Potential Solution For Now

So how about we settle this... once and for all.

@regenerette... Would it be possible for you to prove yourself to the Hive community by first posting some original content to Hive... and then following up right away with the posting of that same content (afterwards) to your original website?

I realize that this feels terrible to not be trusted, to be labeled, to be policed and then judged by one person... But I think that trust is EVERYTHING with regards to the social capital we all earn here on the Hive Blockchain...

Establishing trust and defending it's integrity is worth the effort and if there is a way to do this nothing should be spared in the protection of your identity in this way.

If you do this people (and the right ones!) will rally around you and we will all politely ask @hivewatchers and those consolidated around those ideals to changed their policies, practices and adapt their methodologies to a higher standard here on the Hive Blockchain.

Most people wouldn't fight as hard as you have to stay if wrongly accused... They would simply walk away and begin spreading less than good will to those they are in contact with.

It's time to nip this in the bud and show people another way to combat plagiarism on the Hive platform... a way that's mitigates mistakes and improves the friendly fun we are all having here.

I believe that I can speak the way I have in this comment because I am an honest person, a business owner for many years, and a Hive maximalist investor doing all of the above on our blockchain.

I care a great deal about how things are going on the Hive Blockchain. Not only is this about the future of all our collective efforts... my and everyone's future hangs in the balance with how we all decided to show up and how we all treat our own.

Hive has ABSOLTUELY got to be a friendly place to invite people to... or this place is going to go by the way side... if not rapidly very slowly and painfully.

Decentralized growth means everybody has to act as an owner and step into the gaps that appear. It's our edge but it's also our weak link.

So yes.

Thank you @regenerette for standing up to this way of doing things on the Hive Blockchain. I do believe that how we maintain the security of our blockchain in regards to plagiarism does matter and I believe that you believe this as well.

And because I believe that 2 brains are better than one... I'm also going to tag @apshamilton in this conversation, seeing as he is the legal mind amongst us. As well, he is a Witness and someone who cares about the goings on of this blockchain.

Thank you @apshamilton for taking a look at the particulars of this situation.


NOTE TO ALL:
If you have read to the bottom of this comment it means that you care about the same things I do. I hope that you (my fellow Hive Owners) can weigh in here as I think the way plagiarism is addressed on this platform needs to continue evolving along with the decentralized solutions and censorship resistant structure that we are actively innovating on the Hive Blockchain.

Thank you for reading the entirety of this comment.

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Thanks for having a neat opinion about this, Wil.
i am traveling for recovery until late summer or autumn.
Hivewatchers can check that website just by writing a simple message to contact. Either me or my Canadian partner in this will respond and confirm. I have Said this for months now. That is a website for our crypto business with Wyoming and South Corea. Everything I am posting there is related to our brand. Simply contacting me or Uwe there will confirm that the website and the Content is mine.

This is the last post I make for now. Until I have more time and energy for Hive. Neverteless, I am on Discord daily for anyone who needs me.

I hope things will improve on Hive.

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Absolutely @regenerette! RestUP and recover the best way you can and I hope, like you, that things will be improved by the time you make it back here.

I know that this has been a bit painful... But thank you for being willing to go through this.

I have learned a lot about where Hive currently is in its evolution and where it needs to go.

I believe, 100% in your good intentions... although going forward I would totally advise you to take care in any rewording of articles. Try to brush up on quotations and such as that's going to help you avoid any unnecessary heat going forward.

In the mean time... I, and a growing group of people who care a great deal about Hive and it's future, will continue to do our utmost to bring Hive around.

I believe that if enough of us care and express ourselves about how we can keep Hive a friendly destination... there's nothing we can't do in that regard.

Cheers and have a wonderful vacation at the beach and on your adventures! 🙌

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Thank you, Wil. I Shall follow your advice on these aspects.

May you also have strength and lots of success with your plans!

Hugs and have a wonderful summer!

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I myself have multiple websites with content that I have taken the time and even spent money to create. Should I be punished for making use of my own content?

This has always niggled me. The problem with using Bots and Algorithms is they can only work within the parameters set, so for example, if there is not a subroutine that says, "By the way Bot, if you find a match on a similar website, go and find who that author is and if it's the same person then it's not plagiarism." that, of course, presupposes that the individual is using their real name on every website including Hive because a Bot is not going to have the skill set to investigate username ownership.

Every law in the world accepts that you may use and reproduce your own content wholly or in part, and Hive, while it might not like it, should abide by that. Now I can see why Hivers would have the hump with it. It's basically lazy and cheap to earn rewards, especially if the user has a twenty-year-old website that they are harvesting to spew out each day on the blockchain. I think Downvoting is the way forward for that sort of activity. I even think there should be a bot to point out that the work is reproduced so that people like myself who can't be bothered to investigate don't get conned into upvoting.


I believe that I can speak the way I have in this comment because I am an honest person, a business owner for many years, and a Hive maximalist investor doing all of the above on our blockchain.

Nobody should have to parade their qualifications to give authority to what they say. Everyone has a right to an opinion; this is where the world has gone wrong of late. Personally, I blame the Internet. In the good old days, you could go down the pub, talk complete bollocks with authority and everybody generally left good friends at the end of the night because there was no instant access to so-called facts. And what are facts anyway? They are what the majority perceives to be true. Many thought the earth was flat and that that was a fact! 😉 Nowadays, people are not allowed to have an opinion; people will shout them down, bombard them with so-called 'facts', and when all else fails, start calling them fascists or racists (or spammers) because those sorts of labels are show stoppers for lots of people.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOICE YOUR OPINION!


I come from the FOSS community where 'Freedom' is a solemn thing for us, but we also have another mantra, and that is "The Circle of Trust" I'm not sure CoT would work on Hive mainly because it's tied so heavily to Crypto and where money is involved you're going to attract scum I'm afraid.

In the good old days of mailing lists and forums, we had Moderators. I was never a fan of those either, so I'm always sceptical of people who one day pick up a lump of four-by-two and say, "This is so wonderful I'm gonna protect it!" personally, I see this as a role for Witnesses. However, I'm sure they would argue they're far too busy supporting the blockchain. We need a body of maybe 7 (Has a nice ring to it The 7 🤣) who should monitor what goes on with proper transparency and a robust appeals procedure. This still, of course, does not address the main dilemma: How can you have a decentralised platform based on freedom and then advocate having a panel of enforcers? If I had the answer, I'd be in charge, and you all would have to pay me a stipend. LOL

#TwoPenneth

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Hi @dickturpin,

I agree with what you said above this sentence, to which I refer:

Now I can see why Hivers would have the hump with it. It's basically lazy and cheap to earn rewards, especially if the user has a twenty-year-old website that they are harvesting to spew out each day on the blockchain. I think Downvoting is the way forward for that sort of activity.

Is it lazy and cheap if someone has composed a piece of music once and then markets it under the usual licences for every time it is heard? Is it lazy if I have written a book and want to market it and use not just one but several channels to do so? After all, I have invested energy, haven't I?

Whether I wrote this book 20 years ago or started my website decades ago, it remains my energy that I invested, no? It doesn't matter if I've made a profit on it or if it's been a loss so far, it seems to be socially acceptable, this model, doesn't it? Create something once and profit from it thousands of times.
Though: That's not necessarily my personal attitude, I would say. I am quite critical of such "passive income". It's not something that can be decided in general, but only by the people involved and in individual cases.

In this case, one could say that if the content comes from one's own website and it was not to everyone's taste at the time of its publication, it might meet with an interest elsewhere. You can't really know how much energy someone has put into their content, so such things are impossible to judge. So it may be enough that you take something you publish on Hive off your own website without having to justify it. Like you said above:

Every law in the world accepts that you may use and reproduce your own content wholly or in part, and Hive, while it might not like it, should abide by that.

The decision is made by those who vote for a post or ignore it, which I think is the best option if you are not interested in something or don't like it.

As for the attitude of Hivewatchers: whoever accuses someone else of plagiarism cannot simply demand that the accused prove the opposite and set the terms, as well as showing a certain attitude about it. At most, he can politely inquire. After all, this is not an officially awarded mandate and Hivewatchers is not an officially appointed police, judge and enforcer.

If Hivewatchers classifies something as plagiarism and considers the original content publisher to have been deceived, then the course of action would have to be:

  • Hivewatchers contacts the suspected originator and asks whether a publication on Hive with his content is wanted or not wanted by him.
  • The answer must be awaited.

In the case of regenerette, HW should have written to the website owner and asked: Is the content published on Hive your original content? As far as the answer would have been "yes", further action would be up to the originator. If the answer had been "no" and the originator had decided to do something about it, then it would be his responsibility what exactly he intended to do about it. To the extent that someone wants to take legal action, they can file a complaint and have the authorities find out a user's IP address. Of course, he could want HW to downvote that account.

It can also be the case that if someone publishes on a website, they have no objection at all to their content being copied and redistributed. If you don't want that, you put an official copyright on it. Or, if you are indifferent, you don't say anything at all about copyright. The third option is to explicitly say that the content may be copied and redistributed (for profit or not for profit).

In fact, one can accuse HW of negligence so they refrain from contacting the websites from which they identify content as copied. Why do they do this? Well, I assume, they are not paid by these website operators operating outside Hive, are they?

So you could also say that HW business model is also only operated within the Hive sphere and they make it easy for themselves by tracking down copies of content and then automatically assuming that the "aggrieved parties" already agree to do as they do.

I don't know if and how often HW actually contact aggrieved parties, but that would be the first step, wouldn't it? Instead, the aggrieved parties are identified in the hive sphere alone, namely those who say it is reward pool robbery. In my eyes, however, these are indirectly and not directly aggrieved parties when it comes to plagiarism.

And what are facts anyway?

Indeed, a very good question :)

Greetings to you.

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Is it lazy and cheap if someone has composed a piece of music once and then markets it under the usual licences for every time it is heard?

That's royalties, but I get your point. See, I'll be frank, I get very angry with Youtubers et al., who are already earning rewards on that platform for the content they've posted, and then they dump the very same content on Hive purely to gain another revenue stream. Now this is where the whole debate takes a new turn.

I see Hive as a place where I post something, and maybe, maybe not, I get a tiny reward for it. Others, though, see it as a way to make money and so, therefore, have no scruples how they interact with the platform or the community at large, and this is where people start getting their arse in their hand, me included, by saying "Hold the phone here! That's the same that they posted on TikTok!" now I get the point; it's their content, and if we're going to promote Hive as a free from restrictions platform, then that behaviour shouldn't be a problem. It doesn't mean I have to like it, it doesn't mean I have to accept it, and it certainly doesn't mean I or others cannot find a way to put a stop to it. That's what freedom is. I never said I favoured blacklisting, but I am willing to give up a small piece of my freedom to an acceptable body that ensures everyone on Hive has a safe, secure and fair experience, so maybe the only answer is to stop promoting Hive as "Free from restrictions"?

I don't know if and how often HW actually contact aggrieved parties, but that would be the first step, wouldn't it? Instead................

So obviously, I need to be very careful here, slander and all that. I've seen people complain that the axe has fallen with little or no warning. How true that is, I don't know? Then again, I've seen HW state that numerous warnings have been given, so someone somewhere is telling porky pies. As far as I know (Correct me if I'm wrong), the appeals process is you go on [Public] Discord and plead your case. I don't believe there is anywhere, other than a Hive post, that you can put your case in writing? I don't know how the black mark process works? Does HW's bot send HW a notification, and then they physically look at it or is it all automated, which? If it is, that's a bit of a worry.

From what I can see, this is an 'in-house' process. I doubt very much that HW is contacting the original creator and saying "Hey, there's an individual over here stealing your work and passing it off as their own!" can you imagine the cost and time investment liaising with all these victims around the world who may have had their work stolen?

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Thanks for responding. I appreciate it.

and this is where people start getting their arse in their hand, me included, by saying "Hold the phone here! That's the same that they posted on TikTok!"

Actually, it aggravates me too, when I see that happening. But I can ask myself "then why do you still pay attention"? Or: "Then go where you can find original forms of arts or communications". As I see it, fine art and original content is rare, its hidden within the vast contents of average peoples. If I want to find the fancy stuff, I have to search for it and its often not easy at all to find it.

if we're going to promote Hive as a free from restrictions platform, then that behaviour shouldn't be a problem. It doesn't mean I have to like it, it doesn't mean I have to accept it, and it certainly doesn't mean I or others cannot find a way to put a stop to it.

Me personally, I don't aim to stop it in general. When something comes my way, like this above post and the debate, I act spontaneously and may leave a comment. Most of the time, though, I refrain from it (maybe in 7 out of 10 times I keep being silent). How are you doing it?

So, when I must decide between wanting to stop something and wanting to find the rare jewels, I opt for the latter.
Yes, you are free to do otherwise :)

I might support those, who decide for wanting to stop others for plagiarism but then they need to be pure, sensible, sensitive and without a certain attitude. Mostly, I cannot find this in the "we do the right thing"- accounts. Maybe, I am too critical, but that's who I am. Others are less critical and I welcome that. We are different, that's good. For every chicken there is a corn, no?

I could have used different thoughts to what you've said. Like so (which were my first written sentences, but then I decided otherwise):

are you advocating that if I want to promote my book, (I continue to use this as a fictional example), I can do so on one platform and as far as I use others, I should keep changing my design, wording and appearance?

I have to laugh spontaneously right now, because then every advertisement that is shown in continuous loop everywhere would fall into this category. LOL.

Your point has some merit though, I won't argue with that. I personally don't like repeatings that much either, but wouldn't want to stop it when people sound like their own parrot on all channels. I just stop watching it then. In the long run, they might lose their audience, who value variety and variance. All those who always want the same thing (old wine in new bottles) will probably remain as fans.

Your questions are good and I find them reasonable, but can't answer them, as they don't urge me that much.

I doubt very much that HW is contacting the original creator and saying "Hey, there's an individual over here stealing your work and passing it off as their own!" can you imagine the cost and time investment liaising with all these victims around the world who may have had their work stolen?

I can imagine it.
So HW profits as an actor of deceived people who may not know that their content has been copied. But they know and don't tell the affected person, but make their cut here on Hive? Seen from this angle, it's quite a strange model that disregards the originator and picks up secondary aggrieved parties (anyone who cares about the reward pool).

Personally, I find theft of art, text, music or photography etc. also unworthy. I accept and respect it when people want to take care of it and do it well. Here, in my opinion, it is not being done well and the stepping stone being swung on is the actual originator, except that you are doing the math without him. Don't you think that's a bit ... odd that people want to make money with something where the actual originator is not involved? Be that as it may. I have given HW my view on their comment here.

Greetings.

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I refrain from it (maybe in 7 out of 10 times I keep being silent). How are you doing it?

Fear! Most times, I'm a coward and don't get involved due to the potential fallout. Some of my friends now have serial downvoters because they dared to comment or have an opinion.

Are you advocating that if I want to promote my book (I continue to use this as a fictional example), I can do so on one platform, and as far as I use others, I should keep changing my design, wording and appearance?

So there's a big difference between Promoting a book on Hive and reproducing it verbatim. However, as we've established, the book is your property, and under [let's call it] the charter of Hive, you should be free to reproduce it. Again, as we've concluded, there is a good portion of the community who do not understand the word FREEDOM. The thing is, as I think you pointed out? We are all free to not follow people we believe are doing wrong. We also have the ability to downvote as well. Still, I would argue that HW does provide at the very least a facility to highlight that a given post might be plagiarised because I, for one, do not have the time or the skillset to ascertain the validity of everything I read.

What I'd suggest is if you posted your [imaginary] book, what would be nice is to do the community the courtesy of highlighting that fact either at the beginning or end of the post:
This work is reproduced from my book. You can find the original content that this is reproduced from here: http://mycontentmysite.LeSigh

So HW profits as an actor of deceived people who may not know that their content has been copied.

Many people on Hive make a few dollars by providing a service. Now I'm a sales manager, so I see nothing wrong with that. Given HW doesn't profit directly from the aggrieved (The original content owner) or the culprit (The plagiarist) and earns via upvotes, I'm not sure there's a lot to complain about unless, of course, we're talking about a Witch Finder General situation whereby it's in HW's interest to produce as many guilty people as possible: The more witches, the more rewards.

I have lots of complaints about Hive as a whole. Personally, I don't think it would pass the Trades Description Act in the UK, but I stopped complaining (as much) about the platform a while ago as I think people were getting fed up with my constant bitching. 🤣

Enjoy

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unless, of course, we're talking about a Witch Finder General situation whereby it's in HW's interest to produce as many guilty people as possible: The more witches, the more rewards.

A very good point. People are not dumb, they raise their voices, if there are hunches.
The way HW argued here in particular, points towards authority of opinion and that's when I step in.

I stopped complaining (as much) about the platform a while ago as I think people were getting fed up with my constant bitching. 🤣

lol

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Hi @wil.metcalfe. I'm responding to your tag.

This idea that @hivewatchers are some form of centralized police, judge, jury and executioner is simply not correct. They are just another Hive account that has the right to upvote and downvote as they wish.

They don't even have that much HP behind their votes.

They are not a Whale and are barely an Orca (including with delegations).

If people chose to follow their voting trail that's the personal choice of the other account owner (which they presumably based on how good or bad a job they think Hivewatchers is doing).

The Hivewatcher bots that look for and highlight plagarism are not perfect but it just posts a comment alerting other users and it is up to the individual Hive user to review the Hive post and the material the bot thinks its copied from and determine for themselves whether the content deserves an upvote or a downvote or nothing.

This is how Hive works. Large numbers of individual decisions to up or down vote using their HP stake determines the final payout of the post.

Hivewatchers has no special powers or role on Hive. It is just another account that can do what it likes with its HP.

Anyone can create a blacklist and anyone can choose to follow or not follow it.

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The Hivewatchers project is supported by the vast majority of the community including major whales, witnesses, and stakeholders. If we stopped receiving support, we would stop the work right away.

@apshamiltion @wil.metcalfe

It's quite peculiar that the attacks/criticism that we get is almost entirely either comes from scammers or those revolving around the @deepdives "community". Self-appointed, fake, wannabe "investigative journalists" who exploit the Hive ecosystem to perpetuate lies and dangerous disinformation such as qAnon, flat earth propaganda, NWO reptilian Illuminati, anti vaxxing, plandemic/5G, climate change denial, far-right extremism, homophobia, racism, etc.

They call themselves investigative journalists while all they do is posting the Karen/Kevin style of nonsense that they read on Facebook.
They do their "own research" (which basically means reading nonsense on Facebook or dubious conspiracy hypothesis articles and pseudoscience content)

Investigative journalism takes months and sometimes many years of work on the case. It applies principles of the scientific method in the investigation. It is scrutinous and almost always requires traveling and on-the-ground research and investigation. It is very detailed, time-consuming, and hardworking,
Deep Dives ridiculous nonsense has nothing to do with Investigative Journalism.
They actually often have no clue what the scientific method is and refuse to apply it, including applying it to their own thought process.

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You shouldn't have an opinion on the content posted in Deep Dives. If it's original, that's all you should care about.

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I defended @hivewatchers above on the basis that you were just tackling plagarism and spam and its your right to upvote or downvote as you like.

However your response above suggests you have a political agenda that is certainly NOT shared by all major whales, witnesses and stakeholders.

Your DHF Proposal makes no mention of political activity and I and many others would be quite concerned if you were using DHF community funds to push a political agenda. That would be misleading and deceptive conduct.

Please clarify your position to the Hive community.

Is Hivewatchers just about stopping plagarism, spam and actual scams or is it attacking political opinions its operators disagree with?

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Political agenda?
Yeah right.
And what's that supposed political agenda of Hivewatchers appear to be?
Clearly, you see an agenda and conspiracy in anything that dares to criticize the ridiculous worldview of those hanging around "Deep Dives". No wonder you are in that community.
Hivewatchers ignore this community. There is no point in engaging with the mentally ill. It is better to let them be in their hopeless echo chamber.

-logic

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It is not the job of Hivewatchers to criticise the worldview of anybody! Certainly not when it is getting community money from the DHF.

Its stated purpose from the beginning and what it represents to the Hive community in its DHF proposal is that it goes after plagarism (copyright breach), scams (fraud) and spam.

It is supposed to be dealing with content that is actually illegal.

That's it.

The fact that you are personally attacking and labelling me for calling for Hivewatchers to stick to its mandate and not get involved in political agendas shows that there is a problem here.

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It is a personal opinion (share with some others). Whole Deep Dives (that you support and hang around) is full of degenerates or mentally ill who were banned on different social media and forums for spreading lies, dangerous misinformation, and instigating to violence and crime. The whole community is full of qAnon shills, neo nazis, far-right extremists, terrorist sympathizers, different authoritarian regime toadies, flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, Info Wars shills, Reptilian Illuminati NWO shills, etc.
The Hive ecosystem has been struggling to market itself as a legit and safe place to blog. Deep Dives has been undermining the struggle.
Because of Deep Dives, the Hive is seen as a degenerate magnet.


Anyway, the content of Deep Dives is not Hivewatchers issue. The moral quality of the content moderation is not its scope.
The only exception is when HW acted for moral reasons if when pedophilia was included in the posts.

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Failure to respect the opinions of others here on Hive, especially mine on DeepDives, which are informed by educated reading, makes you sound like a misinformation shill.

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"like a misinformation shill"
A typical reply from a scientifically illiterate yoga hippy.

Take your "healing" crystals, Reiki, and put your tinfoil hat back on.
I recommend the documentary "Behind the Curve" on Netflix.
It perfectly explains the state of your cognition.

Btw, referring to your retarded, pseudoscientific, hippy anti-vaxxer/covid Hoax lies that you keep posting on your blog after you copied the info from FB Karens.
I have had 2 shots of the vaccine already and have has not a single symptom.
The same with my parents, aunt, and my brother.
No significant symptoms just as 99.99999% of hundreds of millions of users from all over the world who have already been vaccinated.

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Oh, I see that you are not just a yoga blissful zombie hippy but also a white supremacist, neo nazi, racist clown:

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https://hive.blog/hive-110786/@julescape/the-kalergi-plan-to-eradicate-the-white-race-from-the-eu-and-usa-by-refugee-influx-is-a-100-year-old-plot-whose-time-has-come

Yes, Karen. You did your own research :-)
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It is worse than someone shilling for neo nazism and Mein Kampf.

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Hahaha lol good one.
You give Hive a bad name.

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Sorry @logic, you fail the rationality test. I write for Deep Dives and my opinion is the opposite of HW, and you so you appear to be the problem by your comment above which is abusive and criminal.

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I try to stay out of arguments, but I think your point is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, in fact so important after this post, you get my witness vote for calling out potential corruption.

They have cartelized authority, if you really think about it as they represent a plurality and their interests. It opens the door for their power and influence to be abused and thus gate-keep the community. Their response was deeply disturbing. For an authority wielding some level of power to cast HARSH aspersions (even the use of defamatory terms that can hurt brand value - especially in the case that larger organizations join the community and cross their path), misgender a user in the case where the gender had already been established between the two parties, refuse to answer important questions, and not maintain neutrality. With great power comes great responsibility.

The main objective should be to protect people from actual fraudsters putting in phishing and malware links and so forth, not to curate and judge content. Let the actual users make that call as to whether content is good enough. If it is good enough to the user to earn an upvote, give that deserved upvote and if there is not enough traction, the content creator needs to make adjustments.

I syndicate my content and source my news sources with all properties (unless I am the actual source - nobody is going to accuse corporate media who syndicate articles across numerous publications of plagiarism). I am willing to sacrifice the control of keeping everything in-house from analytics to form creation to be a part of this community with all of my properties. I saw a massive opportunity to provide this community with sports previews and sourced news for their own convenience, I want to deliver more value to my readers by providing even better content. I wanted to keep things tight and targeted as far as content creation per account. No confusion, no disorganization, you know what you are going to get. Not everything starts far along the roadmap, sometimes you have to start at the 0.0.1 version and I operate with that understanding as well.

I love the interactivity that is in the SportsTalkSocial and DunkSocial communities. I want to provide more value to them. The DunkSocial community wants more dedicated news coverage, it provides legitimacy to a young community that has so much potential.

I want to give people what they want for all my entities and if users/readers tell me they want something different, I'm responsive to it. It makes everything better and it encourages others.

However, because of the actions of a powerful few acting on "good intentions"... they may not be able to get it because it offends their sensibilities or their standards and practices.

Given the lack of professionalism, neutrality, tolerance, and accountability of the enforcement arm of the Hive community ... I can definitely see how this can sow distrust.

The personalization and emotional reactions from this enforcement organization are alarming and @apshamilton, your question and demands are quite generous to them considering that this particular organization even went down the political rabbit hole under their own volition in the first place. They made an unnecessary comment that could even be considered a throwaway, but it was enough to question their authority and judgment. They are a powerful representative of the community, they are supposed to help make this place better...

Their Discord pokes holes in the idea that they are just a small group with downvoting power as they project themselves to be something FAR MORE and given that a witness bent the knee to them on Discord, they certainly wield a lot more power than you would want to admit.

Is the below representative of the community? Is this becoming of a protectorate neutral party with authority looking out for the best interests of Hive?

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They do claim to have power to throw people off Hive and claim authority.

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I wouldn't use me as any moral compass, I tend to find things amusing that others take real serious.

Games have rules, or there is no game.
What those rules will be is up to those that participate willingly in the game.
Eh?

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Lol...that "time out" section of the Hive Watchers discord is not meant to be serious. It's just some community members making random comments.

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👀 There you have it @apshamilton.

This is EXACTLY what I was talking about.

Yes. @hivewatcher is a small insignificant account but they are posing as a self appointed authority and clearly they are not fit to fill those boots.

I do NOT accept their role within our community however much the need is for the identification and red flagging of plagiaristic activity on the blockchain may be... We are sacrificing far to much and getting far more than we bargained for in return.

With this as an accepted authority I wouldn't say that Hive is a safe or promising place to invite my friends, family, or famous to... not to mention put in my time to build out my business interests and invest my hard fought capital into.

Hive certainly needs a PROFESSIONAL, unbiased, objective, sound method of identifying behaviors on the blockchain that detract from the health and wellbeing of the community... but the mind and methodologies behind @hivewatcher has no place in providing this. I would say the above comment clearly disqualifies them and undeniably so. (And YES! They need to answer to the entire Hive community.)

Thank you for taking a serious look at my concerns and thank you for responding the way that you did.

We need to call attention to @hivewatcher's methods, agendas, everything as, in my opinion, they have landed themselves in MY BLACK LIST.

I will NOT accept this degraded level of policing on Hive. It's toxic and destroys the friendly environment we have all worked (and are working) so hard to build up and maintain.

I am NOT ok with this. Let it be known.

This is why I think we need to setup the blockchain itself and the wider community to deal with issues of plagiarism rather than rely on a centralized and fallible approach like this.

As a positive... If we were to make this an auto-flagging system and a more community centric way of meeting out that functionality (build it right into the Hive code) this could be a very good way for people to identify themselves as those who care about Hive, it's people and all of our wellbeing. The more use factors for our powered up Hive the better.

So yes... I'm just going to take this opportunity to put it out there while we are on the topic because it might solve this problem right in the code.

And now is as good a time as any to let you know...

Andrew! I'll be voting for your witness tonight. 🙌

We need you more than ever as we move ourselves closer to where we need to be within the wider crypto community. The world is watching... so how we treat our own does matter and having a friendly Hive is more important than it's ever been before.

We are poised to grow... and the sooner we drop the things that will slow us down and trip us up... the better!

Thank you @sharkthelion and @pickpub for adding your voice to this conversation. I hope that more of the Hive community see's what is happening in this post and decides to weigh in. Thank you for caring enough to do so you guys. 🙌

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Thank you for alerting me to this issue. I have taken it up with major stakeholders and will be making efforts to ensure Hivewatchers returns to a completely apolitical stance and only deals with blatant plagarism (copyright breach) and scams (fraud).

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It's political... MAN!
And the person running the outfit has skeletons in his own closet.

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Okay, so your business model is to get paid to identify plagiarism, for example. As far as you discover an original text outside of Hive, i.e. on the web, with a release on Hive as being the same, you are acting. The question is, however, whether your action does not also involve an abuse of the reward pool, since you do not really seem to be interested in clarifying the facts, as this case illustrates well.

If you classify something as plagiarism and consider the original content publisher to have been cheated, then your course of action should be: You contact the presumed originator and point out to him that a publication on Hive seems to match his content from him, ask whether it is his content and whether the release on Hive is wanted or not wanted. You have to wait for the answer.

The fact that in this case - and in all others? - seems to be derived from your business model, since you only seem to act within the Hive sphere.
In fact, this would also be very time-consuming and you could not assume that you would be rewarded for contacting a presumed victim.

So, in principle, it can be assumed that your interest in stopping plagiarism incidents is reduced to this sphere, that you have nothing to do with original authors outside of Hive, and that you are therefore relying on a model that enables you to act as Hive police who are both judge and enforcer.

Personally, I have nothing against setting up a business model that detects plagiarism, it is up to everyone whether they support what you are doing.

But I think it's excessive and self-righteous to act ideologically like so:

Self-appointed, fake, wannabe "investigative journalists" who exploit the Hive ecosystem to perpetuate lies and dangerous disinformation such as qAnon, flat earth propaganda, NWO reptilian Illuminati, anti vaxxing, plandemic/5G, climate change denial, far-right extremism, homophobia, racism, etc.

Since you presumably use automatic mechanisms to do the work of finding plagiarism for you, you could be accused, as you accuse others, of making your cut with the help of modern technology. Just because you enrich it with questionable ideological speech and make a little more work for yourselves than those who dispense with interaction altogether does not make you better or good people.

I still appreciate that you show your intentions and do not hide them. This makes it transparent for the reader to decide whether to support you or not.

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"Since you presumably use automatic mechanisms to do the work of finding plagiarism for you, you could be accused, as you accuse others, of making your cut with the help of modern technology. Just because you enrich it with questionable ideological speech and make a little more work for yourselves than those who dispense with interaction altogether does not make you better or good people."

Please, stop repeating this lie over and over again.
You know very well that all our work is done manually.
There is no efficient automatic tool to find most of the plagiarism-scam.
Cheetah (when we were still able to afford it) was only detecting basic plagiarism in English.

Sure, if you know such an effective automatic tool, then you are welcome to tell us. We would more than happy to use it.
Just don't bring examples of these useless online plagiarism tools that are out there.

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You know very well that all our work is done manually.

I don't know you at all. I just checked your recent posts before I commented on you.

You are telling me, all is manually? Fine. I assumed something else. It's a difference between assuming something and telling a blunt lie.

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P.S. ignoring my other considerations shows that you looked only for the weak point in my response, which it was, I admit.

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It's quite peculiar that the attacks/criticism that we get is almost entirely either comes from scammers or those revolving around the @deepdives "community". Self-appointed, fake, wannabe "investigative journalists" who exploit the Hive ecosystem to perpetuate lies and dangerous disinformation such as qAnon, flat earth propaganda, NWO reptilian Illuminati, anti vaxxing, plandemic/5G, climate change denial, far-right extremism, homophobia, racism, etc.

I knew Q Anon was a psyop and some people like to entertain the idea that there is some secret hero trying to stop the govt from doing bad, hardly a bad thing to want. Wouldn't you want a secret hero to stop the govt from doing bad things, and want that secret hero to leak information? I wasn't taken in by Q but some were, only a few, not the majority in our tag.

I haven't seen more than 1 flat earther maybe in our tags, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

New World Order is a very real thing, unless you are denying that nations are centralizing power and banding together to become more centralized. Is that even controversial to point that out, why are you on Hive/using cryptocurrency which is pushing for decentralization if you won't recognize the NWO which is the centralization of the world that is happening at an alarming rate,surely you don't mean to imply governments are DECENTRALIZING?

I took the moderna vaccine both doses and I almost passed out from the 1st dose and I had heart inflammation requiring medical care from the 2nd one(my heart might be irreparably damaged for my entire life now, CDC putting out warnings about https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc-reports-more-than-1200-cases-of-rare-heart-inflammation-after-covid-vaccine-shots.html). I assessed the risks to my health based on the information I knew at the time, had I have known what we now know about heart inflammation I might not have got the vaccine because I have heart issues in my family. Being informed on what you put into your body isn't a conspiracy, the conspiracy is they hid this information from us and used us as test subjects. The rate of reporting has been estimated to be somewhere around 50x to 100x less for actual events and the 1,200 cases of heart inflammation could be a lot higher. I did call my Dr. to see if I should get the 2nd dose and he advised to do it and I did. I am doing ok now at least, will see what my future holds. Nothing conspiratorial or irrational about anything I did.

There is various information pointing to wuhan as the outbreak origin and it just so happens there is a wuhan institute of virology right there(funny how that works and even Fauci said to investigate that recently),

It's not controversial that cell phones give off radiation, 5G is worse than 4G logically because it's more powerful There are studies out there saying don't put your cell phone in your pocket due to lowering sperm count https://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/news/20080919/cell-phone-use-linked-male-infertility

The climate changes all the time over long periods, and the major driver of climate change is the sun. The USA used to be just ice and now it isn't. Before that it was something else, etc. There were no humans or human activity that caused that to happen, massive amounts of ice were lost to no human fault.

I haven't seen far right extremism in the #informationwar or #deepdives tag almost at all and in fact I have seen a few terrorists who advocate Allah as the one true prophet and saying kill all westerners and have had to mute them, @ sweecee and a few others are pro killing westerners and violently describe how they want to

i've been to a lesbian wedding and have had multiple gay friends in my circles growing up and its a proven fact there are gay animals who are born that way(i had two guinea pigs and one was gay and kept humping the other one all the time)

we don't want racism in our community either. Discrimination(commonly interchangeably said as "Racism" today) is an inherent mechanism built into every human and is constantly conflated with racism(Critical Race Theory points this out and I assume you are a leftist and also have this view), to discriminate towards something is like how you are discriminating against us based on your own bias and unfounded beliefs against us, or like crossing the street when seeing a pit bull dog to get away, or to cross the street because you see a group of males(any race)at night because it could be dangerous, it's a mechanism that can serve and fool a person into thinking they are correct in their assessments. In order to get away from discrimination we have to take the emotion we might feel towards another out of the equation and get to know them(this can be a very difficult thing to do), of which I encourage you to do with getting to know people in our community. If someone is racist against X race and gets angry or lashes out at X race it is because of their emotional underdevelopment, lack of empathy, lack of understanding of another view point, psychopathy(4% of the world's humans are psychopaths), or raised to be that way, and the same can be said for discrimination.

The people reading your comments and my comments will see a stark contrast between myself(leader owner of @informationwar and am the co-leader of @deepdives(brought on recently)) and you who presumably are the owner or one of the people helping with hivewatchers.

I think I was pretty reasonable in my rebuttal.

They call themselves investigative journalists while all they do is posting the Karen/Kevin style of nonsense that they read on Facebook.
They do their "own research" (which basically means reading nonsense on Facebook or dubious conspiracy hypothesis articles and pseudoscience content)
Investigative journalism takes months and sometimes many years of work on the case. It applies principles of the scientific method in the investigation. It is scrutinous and almost always requires traveling and on-the-ground research and investigation. It is very detailed, time-consuming, and hardworking,
Deep Dives ridiculous nonsense has nothing to do with Investigative Journalism.
They actually often have no clue what the scientific method is and refuse to apply it, including applying it to their own thought process.

I have been on Hive for 4 years and have done a lot of research, probably close to 1 or 2 hours of research per day every day for 4 years. Is that enough for you? How much do you do? Do you do that much? Did you know bitcoin's dev team is owned by a big bank called axa ventures? I bet you didn't, and I bet you advocate people use bitcoin, that makes you the conspiracy theorist. https://hive.blog/informationwar/@truthforce/reminder-bitcoin-devs-are-bilderberg-owned-for-5-years-big-banking

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I do not support this statement. We don't need gatekeepers on Hive telling people what to they can post. Downvote if you want but acting as some sort of official entry on Hive is something you are not. While HW has done a lot of good, all of that can be erased by the way you're acting now. I suggest you stick to plagiarism/scams, if you want to get political you'll never get my support ever again.

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That's what we stick to. Plagiarism.
We have no political agenda.

Those above replies were responses and criticism of Deep Dives was out of personal frustration after a persistent campaign of trolling and spreading of lies about Hivewatchers by a few of its members.

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Bravo!

Thank you for the best comment of the day!

✌ ❤ 🥓

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This statement is very very concerning. Makes me very worried about the future of @hivewatcher project.

What @apshamilton wrote seems much more correct

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HW got personal and started offending my posts on Deep Dive in a comment above, and so they fail in their duty and should be reprimanded for trying to be the thought police.

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"Self-appointed, fake, wannabe "investigative journalists" who exploit the Hive ecosystem to perpetuate lies and dangerous disinformation such as qAnon, flat earth propaganda, NWO reptilian Illuminati, anti vaxxing, plandemic/5G, climate change denial, far-right extremism, homophobia, racism, etc."

Sorry dude you fail. Get off your socio-political high horse fool. You are not in a position to censor opinions like those on DeepDives or anywhere on Hive based on your OPINION of what is right or wrong politically or socially. You idiot. You have shown your stupidity in this statement and are unqualified or uninformed to comment on these subjects as if you know better. Your OPINION in yours alone so it's time you grow up and act like an educated adult. We are adults here on Hive buddy. Your style of nonsense does not belong here.

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Hivewatchers project is supported by the vast majority of the community

ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT

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Fuck your nonsense you self declared Officer!

You DO NOT get the defacto position of authority here... Your activities on this blockchain are sure as shit, THE MOST DAMAGING to the whole.

FUCK YOU

And may everyone supporting you fall HARD on their own petard!

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I don't know why you tagged this with #dunk but not #infowars. Kind of missed the most relevant tag for a conspiracy post.😞

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To milk rewards obviously, this was totally irrelevant on dunk. @dunksocial, you may want to remove your delegations to this account, I don't see the value she's adding, last time I checked her wallet sh has liquid dunk above 2k and non staked, that doesn't seem like someone that really cares about the block space does it?


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So what is really going on here, and what is the clue being revealed in this post? Please elaborate @krnel , nothing is what it seems is it?


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