RE: HOW TO SHUT UP! HIVE is Gaining a Bad Reputation - Official Disagreement in Hive
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I suspect English is not your first language which isn't helping you put your case across.
Ranting and raving aren't helping you either because this post, for example, is incredibly hard to understand.
Failure to give image accreditation via an image source link isn't plagiarism; it's theft! So, in reality, you could be accused of being a thief. The fact an image source link is not provided could give the impression the image is your own work which I suspect it was not?
It is not acceptable to."Rephrase" someone else's work anywhere on the planet, let alone on Hive. That is plagiarism. The correct method is to enclose sections of the original in
blockquoteand then give your own interpretation of that quote.I suspect you're not six years old, and this is not the playground. Moaning about what another user did and how they are treated is what kids do in an attempt to get out of being in trouble "We'll Dave stole a whole packet of biscuits! I only took one." what others do has no bearing on your case.
Now, I agree with you in regards to the so-called Freedom promoted by Hive [users]. If Hive were truly free, then everyone would be able to do what they liked, and the likes of @cheeter would be out of job. Sadly, when folk extol the virtues of freedom, what they really mean is freedom based on a set of rules and in truth, if you have rules, then really there isn't any freedom. Having said that. Because Hive is a rewards-based platform, there has to be some form of policing involved to ensure low scumbags don't try every trick in the book to steal rewards but earn them fairly and squarely through their own work.
I have had numerous conversations with @hivewatchers over the years, and I have to say I think they're pretty fair-minded on the whole, so I suspect there is more to this than laid out in this rant post?
You are free to do as you like though, as others are free to downvote/upvote anyone for any reason. Isn't that what freedom means?
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Yep, as I said, that would be the true definition of freedom; however, Hive as a whole (Or should that be the majority?) has decided to add a few caveats to "Freedom", most of which we all accept and understand. So, for example, simply translating an article and then posting that translation on Hive is a massive No-no! That's stealing someone else's work! I suspect leaving it up to upvoting or downvoting is insufficient for some of the determined plagiarists and spammers on Hive. I suspect those types of individuals rely on the fact that many users won't bother checking to see if the work is authentic or not and will be conned into making undeserved upvotes.
The best way to not get on any blacklists is not to copy other people's work or try to be smart by simply changing a couple of words here and there, thus trying to pass it off as unique work. Also, giving accreditation to the original producers/owners of any media included in posts.
Of course, but still, there is nothing stopping someone from doing that if they wanted. People that downvote those posts and blacklist those users are doing that by their own volition. Hence, everything is in the scope of freedom. People are still free to write plagiarised content on here, they would just get downvoted to oblivion and that is the freedom of other users. If the majority of users agree on something, it does not mean it is a caveat on freedom, it is those users freedom to agree on something. That is my understanding of what freedom is, and that the platform is still in this scope of freedom.
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I agree. But by the same token, people can't complain about Blacklists either, can they? If we accept people are free to lie and cheat, then we accept others are free to combat that. It's not rocket science. I'm also against people having more than one account. To my mind, there's only one reason to have multiple accounts, and that's to do something dodgy.
I agree. Not on the multi-account part though as there are legitimate use cases for multiple accounts. Like how I might want to reward someone's post on a tribe without wanting to reward HIVE and as everything on the blockchain is public, you can see if there is something dodgy going on.
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Na, we have communities for that. There's far too much circle jerk going on with Hive as it is without giving people the opportunity to self vote from multiple accounts. I don't bother investigating who's who, although a lot of my friends do. Ideally, I should be able to trust that who I'm conversing with speaks to me from one account only and doesn't communicate from multiple accounts with numerous personas all trying to Currie a vote which ultimately they will feed down to one account.
When you upvote in a community, you will also upvote with your hive voting power, that is how it works. I did not mess around with voting multipliers etc. though so idk.
I'm still not happy with multiple accounts. 🤷♂️
Fine by me lol, everyone has different opinions. I can respect that.
I don't fully agree with that. There's plenty of reasons for having more than one account. As an example: I own (openly) @AdventureReady & @BeachReady. Both are sister companies but I want to brand them in different congruent ways here on the Hive Blockchain. This is only one practical example, @dickturpin and @mrtats, for having a multiple account approach to the Hive Blockchain.
If it's fraudulent reasons though... I get it and agree. Having more than one account for the purposes of less than honest acts is an absolute determent.
Of course, having different accounts for different projects is one of the legitimate reasons for having multiple accounts. I just wanted to give a personal example by mentioning curation in different communities.
We have to acknowledge that some people might use multiple accounts to hide their self-voting tendencies and other fraudulent things.
Sure. These are things to consider... But on the whole I don't think that would be a reasonable reason NOT to have the ability to have another account. It's all about intent as you know. These are tricky things and the balance is an ever changing pendulum of need and want.
I gave you a follow as I appreciate your sharp intellect and the obvious care you have for the Hive Blockchain.
The more than one account opinion is interesting.
The community is set up for creators in niches. I think people are more apt to delegate and Auto upvote when they know someone sticks to a particular subject.
In this regard, I've considered doing a different account for the hive pile show and my sports social talk content
Thank you for doing a decent job of weighing in on this situation. The points you have made clearly make things plain as to what is alright and what isn't alright on the Hive Blockchain.
I'm always of the mind that someone should be innocent until proven guilty however and that puts real weight on the process's we use to identify plagiarism and theft of media content.
It is my opinion that we need to put further effort, thought, and awareness into how we go about these aspects of maintaining our blockchains integrity. If we are not careful we will only create an environment where it is to unfriendly to invite our friends, family, and famous.
I am not here to judge if someone is right or wrong on either side... But I am concerned about how we are reaching our verdicts on these sorts of things.
I believe that the way we go about our determinations is just as important as our ultimate decisions are.
We should also give some thought as to how we can weigh out consequences. What I mean by this is... What exactly does it mean to be black listed? And could that not be levied out on a sliding scale of severity so as to make a point but not level the playing field we all stand upon?
Another consideration should be... How can we make use of our DPoS system to vote on the outcomes of cases of plagiarism... collectively as a community.
Rather than one entity being the police, judge, and jury I think that it might be wiser to proceed by separation of these aspects of identification and protocol.
So yes.
The good thing about all the gaps that form (like these ones) while we innovate the future of the Hive blockchain is that we all have an opportunity to step into those gaps as owners... Hive is a living project which means that we can change and adjust the things that need to improve as we identify what those values actually are.
I think that how @hivewatchers is going about it's implementation of Hive integrity and safety is commendable buuuuuut also increasingly inadequate if we are honest and want to continue to say that we are a decentralized solution to an increasingly censored world.
If you would like to read more of my thoughts about this case I left a couple comments in one of @regenerette's recent posts:
https://peakd.com/proofofbrain/@regenerette/hive-owned-by-companies-and#@regenerette/re-wilmetcalfe-2021628t213211678z
As well... Here's a link to a post I recently made in regards to having a second look at my Witness Votes and continuing to evolve Hive towards friendlier ways to human:
https://peakd.com/hive/@wil.metcalfe/taking-a-2nd-look-witness-requirements
I have liked your comment and followed you @dickturpin, as I think you have a good head on your shoulders.
Thank you for saying something constructive here in the comments.
So I don't know the full story behind this, and I've no intention of finding out. I'm always a bit dubious about self-appointed guardianship, though so posts in this vein which sadly I see a few of always arouse my interest.
There are, in my view, some problems with the current system. From what I gather, your route of appeal is via Discord which is not my favourite medium of communication. As you point out, an aggrieved is appealing against an organisation that is Police, Judge and Jury all rolled into one which cannot possibly be good.
Having said that, I find myself wanting to have a foot in both camps. If the community is going to run around slating the likes of Twitter et al. for censoring, banning and a whole host of other activities as a reason to "Join Decentralised Hive.........." then Hive really shouldn't be doing some of the same things.
I'm afraid I don't do fluffy nice but I do try to be fair and listen to both sides of any dispute and then make my own mind up and not what others think the conclusion should be.
I've done short paragraphs because I wanted to make succinct points. Sorry. 😊
P.S. I look at your comments tomorrow. It's getting on here in the UK and I've some other stuff I need to wade through.
Thank you for the acute and succinct response!
I find myself in both camps as well... Which shows that there is actually some middle ground that's less extreme, more friendly, and all around better in it's approach to the maintenance of our ever present security concerns on this blockchain.
There is a middle ground.
There is a friendlier way for all of us to human.
That way is to put the weight on the system rather than the human element which is fallible, often harsh, and often not quite on point in it's effectiveness.
It may even be quite dangerous. (When you consider police, judge, and jury all rolled into one... a definite red flag does pop up for me.)
But yes!
Have a look see when you have some time to do so.
I appreciate any sort of input of feedback you may have my friend.
Good luck "wading through" all those things that need to be wadded through! (I so know what you mean!)
Sincerely,
@wil.metcalfe 🙌
Didn't you get the idea that this post was about aggressivity? And what you're doing? You persist on that by playing the same coin and falling to the back-side of it? I really don't care about your ideas that insist to be clever with this kind of attitude you've got. Unfortunately, you did have numerous conversations with hive watchers to the point you're one of them. And you made that pretty clear.
Very well put